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	<title>Comments on: Emulating CRUTem Graphics</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168558</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve --
  Thanks for adding the equal-area Mollweide to the original post!

  There are also &quot;interrupted&quot; forms of the Mollweide that slit the N and S halves of the map along selected latitudes to reduce distortion of the continents.

  The top two equirectangular projections are Mercator-like in that they enlarge areas in high latitudes, but are not true Mercator, in that they only stretch distances horizontally and not vertically as well.

  The Lambert Cylindrical Equal Area projection I had suggested in #22 above compresses distances vertically in order to make up for the horizontal stretching, while preserving NS and EW directions.  A 2:1 aspect ratio, as suggested on CA by John Bell, then gives the same average detail as the equirectangular, while eliminating shape distortions at 40.08&#176; N and S.  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2721#comment-212714&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment 107&lt;/a&gt; of the earlier post.

  But the Mollweide or interrupted Mollweide are equally good from an equal-area point of view.  They distort NS directions, but nicely invoke the sphericality of the earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211;<br />
  Thanks for adding the equal-area Mollweide to the original post!</p>
<p>  There are also &#8220;interrupted&#8221; forms of the Mollweide that slit the N and S halves of the map along selected latitudes to reduce distortion of the continents.</p>
<p>  The top two equirectangular projections are Mercator-like in that they enlarge areas in high latitudes, but are not true Mercator, in that they only stretch distances horizontally and not vertically as well.</p>
<p>  The Lambert Cylindrical Equal Area projection I had suggested in #22 above compresses distances vertically in order to make up for the horizontal stretching, while preserving NS and EW directions.  A 2:1 aspect ratio, as suggested on CA by John Bell, then gives the same average detail as the equirectangular, while eliminating shape distortions at 40.08&deg; N and S.  See <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2721#comment-212714" rel="nofollow">comment 107</a> of the earlier post.</p>
<p>  But the Mollweide or interrupted Mollweide are equally good from an equal-area point of view.  They distort NS directions, but nicely invoke the sphericality of the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen richards</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stephen richards]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-351231&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chad (#29)&lt;/a&gt;,

have a look at the side bar.  Steve has posted code and data and a learning/training page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-351231" rel="nofollow">Chad (#29)</a>,</p>
<p>have a look at the side bar.  Steve has posted code and data and a learning/training page.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Steve,
I see this thread is very old and I hope you see this comment. I&#039;m currently learning R and have been struggling trying to figure out how to plot gridded data on a map projection. The graphic you produced is exactly what I need to know how to do. Can you post the code for it please?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve,<br />
I see this thread is very old and I hope you see this comment. I&#8217;m currently learning R and have been struggling trying to figure out how to plot gridded data on a map projection. The graphic you produced is exactly what I need to know how to do. Can you post the code for it please?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh M. Miller</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh M. Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see the meaning of these maps either. Can someone explain? Maybe we should all get together for a CRUTem meetup eh!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see the meaning of these maps either. Can someone explain? Maybe we should all get together for a CRUTem meetup eh!?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think someone already mentioned it, but why not a &quot;skin&quot;, or whatever they call it, for Google Earth? Then you can turn it as you wish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think someone already mentioned it, but why not a &#8220;skin&#8221;, or whatever they call it, for Google Earth? Then you can turn it as you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Andrews</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168553</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Andrews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312915&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hu McCulloch (#22)&lt;/a&gt;,

&lt;i&gt;Why not break out of the Hellenistic era and into the 2nd millenium, by using the far more advanced equal area cylindrical or azimuthal polar projections of Lambert of Alsace??
&lt;/i&gt;

I can think of two reasons,

a) they&#039;ve always used these projections and don&#039;t understand the problem (although given Jeff K&#039;s comments this seems unlikely)

b) it suits them just fine to have the distortions, ie big red Siberia, big white Greenland icecap etc because it puts across a &#039;message&#039; to the unaware

c) I guess Steve will snip this because of b]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-312915" rel="nofollow">Hu McCulloch (#22)</a>,</p>
<p><i>Why not break out of the Hellenistic era and into the 2nd millenium, by using the far more advanced equal area cylindrical or azimuthal polar projections of Lambert of Alsace??<br />
</i></p>
<p>I can think of two reasons,</p>
<p>a) they&#8217;ve always used these projections and don&#8217;t understand the problem (although given Jeff K&#8217;s comments this seems unlikely)</p>
<p>b) it suits them just fine to have the distortions, ie big red Siberia, big white Greenland icecap etc because it puts across a &#8216;message&#8217; to the unaware</p>
<p>c) I guess Steve will snip this because of b</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312929&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Smith (#23)&lt;/a&gt;,

David, I did an analysis of the anomaly differences between the UAH/RSS satellite and GISS surface (land and ocean) data sets for the period 1998-2007 on another thread here at CA (along with more extensive analysis in the 1979-2007 period).   I did it on an annual basis and thus did not include 2008.  What I am not certain from viewing your graph is whether you are subtracting the average of the surface records from the satellite ones.

I think these more recent time descrepancies are important, since, while UAH and RSS differ over the long term trends from 19979-2007, in recent times (1998-2007) the re-nornmalized trends for UAH and RSS correlate very closely.  If indeed the satellite MSU measurements are independent of the surface ones, as I have tentatively concluded, then I think these recent differences with the surface records deserve some detailed analyses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-312929" rel="nofollow">David Smith (#23)</a>,</p>
<p>David, I did an analysis of the anomaly differences between the UAH/RSS satellite and GISS surface (land and ocean) data sets for the period 1998-2007 on another thread here at CA (along with more extensive analysis in the 1979-2007 period).   I did it on an annual basis and thus did not include 2008.  What I am not certain from viewing your graph is whether you are subtracting the average of the surface records from the satellite ones.</p>
<p>I think these more recent time descrepancies are important, since, while UAH and RSS differ over the long term trends from 19979-2007, in recent times (1998-2007) the re-nornmalized trends for UAH and RSS correlate very closely.  If indeed the satellite MSU measurements are independent of the surface ones, as I have tentatively concluded, then I think these recent differences with the surface records deserve some detailed analyses.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312875&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff K (#19)&lt;/a&gt;,

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you want to look at the whole globe at the same time, you have to sacrifice something - data or geography *has* to be distorted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why not simply have two globes side by side and make the second the part that&#039;s hidden by the first?  Then everything is present at all times and while the material around the edges would be distorted, you can move whatever point you want to the center.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-312875" rel="nofollow">Jeff K (#19)</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>If you want to look at the whole globe at the same time, you have to sacrifice something &#8211; data or geography *has* to be distorted.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why not simply have two globes side by side and make the second the part that&#8217;s hidden by the first?  Then everything is present at all times and while the material around the edges would be distorted, you can move whatever point you want to the center.</p>
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		<title>By: David Smith</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bit OT - here&#039;s a comparison of the satellite-derived LT anomaly versus the surface-derived anomaly in recent years. The satellite is the average of UAH and RSS while the surface is the average of GISS, NCDC and CRUT3:



There appears to be a shift circa March of 2008. Or, maybe not - perhaps it is random movement. A global map comparing the satellite vs surface difference for March thru October 2008 versus the same period in 2007 would be interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit OT &#8211; here&#8217;s a comparison of the satellite-derived LT anomaly versus the surface-derived anomaly in recent years. The satellite is the average of UAH and RSS while the surface is the average of GISS, NCDC and CRUT3:</p>
<p>There appears to be a shift circa March of 2008. Or, maybe not &#8211; perhaps it is random movement. A global map comparing the satellite vs surface difference for March thru October 2008 versus the same period in 2007 would be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2008/11/20/crutem-october-utilities/#comment-168549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff Krob of NOAA/NESDIS (#15) writes,
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I guess, if you want to project global data with the most geographic accuracy, IMO, you need three displays; Lat/Lon, North Polar Stereographic and South Polar Stereographic.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rectangular and Polar projections are fine, but why cling, like Hansen of NASA/GISS, to the equirectangular lat/lon projection of Marinus or Tyre, or to the Stereographic polar projection of Hyparchus of Nicaea?  Why not break out of the Hellenistic era and into the 2nd millenium, by using the far more advanced equal area cylindrical or azimuthal polar projections of Lambert of Alsace??

See comment 107 of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2721&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CA equal area projection thread&lt;/a&gt; for the Lambert Cylindrical equal area projection (adjusted to a 2:1 aspect ratio in the middle image), and comment 43 of the same thread for the Lambert Az equal area projection (albeit from an interesting whole earth equatoral rather than hemispheric polar viewpoint).

-- Hu of Ohio State]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Krob of NOAA/NESDIS (#15) writes,</p>
<blockquote><p>
I guess, if you want to project global data with the most geographic accuracy, IMO, you need three displays; Lat/Lon, North Polar Stereographic and South Polar Stereographic.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Rectangular and Polar projections are fine, but why cling, like Hansen of NASA/GISS, to the equirectangular lat/lon projection of Marinus or Tyre, or to the Stereographic polar projection of Hyparchus of Nicaea?  Why not break out of the Hellenistic era and into the 2nd millenium, by using the far more advanced equal area cylindrical or azimuthal polar projections of Lambert of Alsace??</p>
<p>See comment 107 of the <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2721" rel="nofollow">CA equal area projection thread</a> for the Lambert Cylindrical equal area projection (adjusted to a 2:1 aspect ratio in the middle image), and comment 43 of the same thread for the Lambert Az equal area projection (albeit from an interesting whole earth equatoral rather than hemispheric polar viewpoint).</p>
<p>&#8211; Hu of Ohio State</p>
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