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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-323897</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Mach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As nobody mentioned it: The correct term for this behaviour is &quot;Publication Bias&quot;. Anything in support of the Null Hypothesis has a harder time getting published. Regardless of whether there the null hypothesis is correct hypothesis or not, research results will always fall into a spectrum of support for the null hypothesis or support for something else. As before in other climate science problems, I find it helpful to look into medical sciences, as they deal with matters of &quot;life or death&quot; with regards to their research. There are some remedies like &quot;pre-registration of protocols&quot; or &quot;registration or networking of data collections within fields&quot; that could be useful. There are more remedies that are available, others might be specific to climate research. Dealing with this on a &quot;per study&quot; basis is a problem, and not a solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As nobody mentioned it: The correct term for this behaviour is &#8220;Publication Bias&#8221;. Anything in support of the Null Hypothesis has a harder time getting published. Regardless of whether there the null hypothesis is correct hypothesis or not, research results will always fall into a spectrum of support for the null hypothesis or support for something else. As before in other climate science problems, I find it helpful to look into medical sciences, as they deal with matters of &#8220;life or death&#8221; with regards to their research. There are some remedies like &#8220;pre-registration of protocols&#8221; or &#8220;registration or networking of data collections within fields&#8221; that could be useful. There are more remedies that are available, others might be specific to climate research. Dealing with this on a &#8220;per study&#8221; basis is a problem, and not a solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindzen: nuevo estudio muestra la exageración de los modelos climáticos. &#171; PlazaMoyua.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lindzen: nuevo estudio muestra la exageración de los modelos climáticos. &#171; PlazaMoyua.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 2010 [--&gt;]. Olvidan las nubes, y otros obtienen resultados diferentes, como Paltridge 2009 [--&gt;]. Y se convierte en una discusión de qué datos valen, y cuáles no. Para los alarmistas sólo [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2010 [--&gt;]. Olvidan las nubes, y otros obtienen resultados diferentes, como Paltridge 2009 [--&gt;]. Y se convierte en una discusión de qué datos valen, y cuáles no. Para los alarmistas sólo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: scienceofdoom</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-283626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scienceofdoom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long after everyone else, I have some commentary of water vapor trends (integrated water vapor) in:

http://scienceofdoom.com/2011/06/02/water-vapor-trends/
and
http://scienceofdoom.com/2011/06/05/water-vapor-trends-part-two/

Part Two includes commentary on Paltridge et al 2009 as well as Dessler &amp; Davis 2010.

Radisonde analyses show increasing water vapor in the Northern Hemisphere. Two important papers on the subject demonstrated this and decided there was not enough quality data for the Southern Hemisphere (Ross &amp; Elliot 2001, Durre et al 2009).
Satellites show increasing water vapor over the oceans (radiosonde data over the oceans is very sparse).
Other reanalyses show increasing water vapor, e.g. ERA40

NCEP/NCAR was demonstrated by Trenberth &amp; Smith in 2005 to be worse than ERA40 - via the dry mass of the atmosphere.

Paltridge, Arking and Pook don&#039;t demonstrate what is wrong with Trenberth &amp; Smith&#039;s analysis, or what is wrong with the radiosonde trend analyses. They don&#039;t demonstrate what is wrong with the satellite data.

Trenberth, Fasullo &amp; Smith have already shown NCEP/NCAR water vapor trends in their 2005 paper.

So what have Paltridge, Arking and Pook added to the sum of knowledge?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long after everyone else, I have some commentary of water vapor trends (integrated water vapor) in:</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceofdoom.com/2011/06/02/water-vapor-trends/" rel="nofollow">http://scienceofdoom.com/2011/06/02/water-vapor-trends/</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://scienceofdoom.com/2011/06/05/water-vapor-trends-part-two/" rel="nofollow">http://scienceofdoom.com/2011/06/05/water-vapor-trends-part-two/</a></p>
<p>Part Two includes commentary on Paltridge et al 2009 as well as Dessler &amp; Davis 2010.</p>
<p>Radisonde analyses show increasing water vapor in the Northern Hemisphere. Two important papers on the subject demonstrated this and decided there was not enough quality data for the Southern Hemisphere (Ross &amp; Elliot 2001, Durre et al 2009).<br />
Satellites show increasing water vapor over the oceans (radiosonde data over the oceans is very sparse).<br />
Other reanalyses show increasing water vapor, e.g. ERA40</p>
<p>NCEP/NCAR was demonstrated by Trenberth &amp; Smith in 2005 to be worse than ERA40 &#8211; via the dry mass of the atmosphere.</p>
<p>Paltridge, Arking and Pook don&#8217;t demonstrate what is wrong with Trenberth &amp; Smith&#8217;s analysis, or what is wrong with the radiosonde trend analyses. They don&#8217;t demonstrate what is wrong with the satellite data.</p>
<p>Trenberth, Fasullo &amp; Smith have already shown NCEP/NCAR water vapor trends in their 2005 paper.</p>
<p>So what have Paltridge, Arking and Pook added to the sum of knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Koch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-245525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Koch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 04:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful point!  All of his fancy analysis based on dubious data is a waste of time.  The first step is to get the data in good shape.  After that has been accomplished, then do the fancy analysis.

It may be, for example, the tree rings of the last several decades were actually OK and that they did not match the temp records because the temp records are not OK. We have a huge number of papers based on bad data.  IIRC, the Met is now laboriously recreating the work that Phil Jones did and &quot;lost&quot;.  That seems like a good start but the process has to be transparent if it is to inspire confidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful point!  All of his fancy analysis based on dubious data is a waste of time.  The first step is to get the data in good shape.  After that has been accomplished, then do the fancy analysis.</p>
<p>It may be, for example, the tree rings of the last several decades were actually OK and that they did not match the temp records because the temp records are not OK. We have a huge number of papers based on bad data.  IIRC, the Met is now laboriously recreating the work that Phil Jones did and &#8220;lost&#8221;.  That seems like a good start but the process has to be transparent if it is to inspire confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-178746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe this analysis with the NCEP 1 data set may have been presented here previously, but I wanted to do a direct comparison of my analyses with the RSS SSM/I data set– and show-off my nearly acquired skills downloading and manipulating an ncdf file in R.  I used the NCEP data set for the 500 Mbar height for the zonal band from 25S to 25N.  I was much impressed with the use of R in reducing the data from a relatively large nc file to the essentials that was required for the analysis.

The results are shown in the 2 graphs below and the following table.  In summary there is much ARn autocorrelation as was the case with RSS SSM/I and the trend is flat and cannot be distinguished from 0.  The trend slope was 0.0000128; the standard error was 0.0000931; the p = 0.89 and the AR1 correlation = 0.57.  The R code is listed below.





&lt;blockquote&gt;library(ncdf)
ncep500=open.ncdf(&quot;NCEP.nc&quot;)
ncep500
[1] &quot;file NCEP.nc has 4 dimensions:&quot;
[1] &quot;lat   Size: 73&quot;
[1] &quot;level   Size: 1&quot;
[1] &quot;lon   Size: 144&quot;
[1] &quot;time   Size: 361&quot;
[1] &quot;------------------------&quot;
[1] &quot;file NCEP.nc has 1 variables:&quot;
[1] &quot;short shum[lon,lat,level,time]  Longname:Monthly Mean of Specific Humidity Missval:32766&quot;
nc500=get.var.ncdf(ncep500)
dim(nc500)
[1] 144  73 361
nc25SN=nc500[,mean(c(27:47)),]
dim(nc25SN)
[1] 144 361
SN25=colMeans(nc25SN)
x=1:361
lmSN25=lm(SN25~x)
summary(lmSN25)
acf(residuals(lmSN25))$acf[2]
[1] 0.5715495
plot(x,SN25,type=&quot;b&quot;, main=&quot;Specific Humidity 25S to 25N from 01/1979 to 01/2009&quot;,xlab = &quot;Months Starting at 01/1979&quot;,ylab=&quot;Secific Humidity&quot;,col=&quot;dark red&quot;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this analysis with the NCEP 1 data set may have been presented here previously, but I wanted to do a direct comparison of my analyses with the RSS SSM/I data set– and show-off my nearly acquired skills downloading and manipulating an ncdf file in R.  I used the NCEP data set for the 500 Mbar height for the zonal band from 25S to 25N.  I was much impressed with the use of R in reducing the data from a relatively large nc file to the essentials that was required for the analysis.</p>
<p>The results are shown in the 2 graphs below and the following table.  In summary there is much ARn autocorrelation as was the case with RSS SSM/I and the trend is flat and cannot be distinguished from 0.  The trend slope was 0.0000128; the standard error was 0.0000931; the p = 0.89 and the AR1 correlation = 0.57.  The R code is listed below.</p>
<blockquote><p>library(ncdf)<br />
ncep500=open.ncdf(&#8220;NCEP.nc&#8221;)<br />
ncep500<br />
[1] &#8220;file NCEP.nc has 4 dimensions:&#8221;<br />
[1] &#8220;lat   Size: 73&#8243;<br />
[1] &#8220;level   Size: 1&#8243;<br />
[1] &#8220;lon   Size: 144&#8243;<br />
[1] &#8220;time   Size: 361&#8243;<br />
[1] &#8220;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8221;<br />
[1] &#8220;file NCEP.nc has 1 variables:&#8221;<br />
[1] &#8220;short shum[lon,lat,level,time]  Longname:Monthly Mean of Specific Humidity Missval:32766&#8243;<br />
nc500=get.var.ncdf(ncep500)<br />
dim(nc500)<br />
[1] 144  73 361<br />
nc25SN=nc500[,mean(c(27:47)),]<br />
dim(nc25SN)<br />
[1] 144 361<br />
SN25=colMeans(nc25SN)<br />
x=1:361<br />
lmSN25=lm(SN25~x)<br />
summary(lmSN25)<br />
acf(residuals(lmSN25))$acf[2]<br />
[1] 0.5715495<br />
plot(x,SN25,type=&#8221;b&#8221;, main=&#8221;Specific Humidity 25S to 25N from 01/1979 to 01/2009&#8243;,xlab = &#8220;Months Starting at 01/1979&#8243;,ylab=&#8221;Secific Humidity&#8221;,col=&#8221;dark red&#8221;)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bill Illis</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-178745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Illis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those checking the humidity level data, note that the models project different changes in RH at different levels and different latitudes.

For instance, here are the changes in RH of GISS Model E from 1960 to 2003, by latitude and height.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.3_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/mean.gif

Here is the average global change by height over the same period.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.3_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/map.gif

But specific humidity, q, should have increased like this big red blob (in ppmv).

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.4_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/map.gif

You can play around with different years and different scenarios here. (increasing temp years versus decreasing temp years for example).

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelE/transient/Rc_pj.1.11.html

Or look at lots of different aspects of the model here.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelE/transient/climsim.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those checking the humidity level data, note that the models project different changes in RH at different levels and different latitudes.</p>
<p>For instance, here are the changes in RH of GISS Model E from 1960 to 2003, by latitude and height.</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.3_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/mean.gif" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.3_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/mean.gif</a></p>
<p>Here is the average global change by height over the same period.</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.3_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/map.gif" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.3_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/map.gif</a></p>
<p>But specific humidity, q, should have increased like this big red blob (in ppmv).</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.4_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/map.gif" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/modelEt/lat_height/work/tmp.4_E3Af8aeM20_1_0112_1960_2003_1951_1980_-L3AaeoM20D_lin/map.gif</a></p>
<p>You can play around with different years and different scenarios here. (increasing temp years versus decreasing temp years for example).</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelE/transient/Rc_pj.1.11.html" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelE/transient/Rc_pj.1.11.html</a></p>
<p>Or look at lots of different aspects of the model here.</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelE/transient/climsim.html" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelE/transient/climsim.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Nierenberg</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-178744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicolas Nierenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday I was able to successfully download the data from ECMWF.  Over the 19 years of the ERA Interim reanalysis there are no significant trends in q.  In the NH mid latitudes the trends are slightly negative at many altitudes, but again they aren&#039;t significant.  Thus in the NCEP, ERA 40, and ERA Interim data sets there is no support for increasing q due to a warming atmosphere.  I&#039;m sure this is hardly the last or even best word on the subject.

My post can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://nierenbergclimate.blogspot.com/2009/03/follow-up-on-era-interim-from-ecmwf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I was able to successfully download the data from ECMWF.  Over the 19 years of the ERA Interim reanalysis there are no significant trends in q.  In the NH mid latitudes the trends are slightly negative at many altitudes, but again they aren&#8217;t significant.  Thus in the NCEP, ERA 40, and ERA Interim data sets there is no support for increasing q due to a warming atmosphere.  I&#8217;m sure this is hardly the last or even best word on the subject.</p>
<p>My post can be found <a href="http://nierenbergclimate.blogspot.com/2009/03/follow-up-on-era-interim-from-ecmwf.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-178743</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-332047&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kenneth Fritsch (#350)&lt;/a&gt;,

I wanted to do another analysis of the atmospheric water content, q, using the RSS SSM/I data set at another latitude in order to check the sensitivity of the first result (reported above) of the global zone from 50S to 50N to the latitude zone selection.  To that end, I did another analysis for the global zone from 25S to 25N from July 1987 through January 2009 and present the results below.  The R code is essentially the same as for the previous analysis and is not shown here.

There were only slight differences between the trends for the two zones analyzed.  They both shown a highly auto correlation of the regression residuals even at higher orders and both time series show a step function at the 1997-1998 time period. Both zones also include zero in the CIs and thus cannot be shown to be statistically different than zero.

Trend slope = 0.00289; AR1 Corr = 0.707; SE = 0.000798; Adjusted CI = -0.00096 to 0.00673

The question remains about the trends found by Trenberth that were claimed to statistically significant.  Trenberth used Version 5 of the RSS SSM/I data set for the 1988 to 2003 time period while I used the later Version 6 from mid 1987 through January 2009.  Trenberth determined limits using a Monte Carlo procedure and I used the Nychka procedure from Santer et al. (2008) to adjust the CIs.  Version 5 of the RSS data set is no longer available to the public and can be accessed only by special permission.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-332047" rel="nofollow">Kenneth Fritsch (#350)</a>,</p>
<p>I wanted to do another analysis of the atmospheric water content, q, using the RSS SSM/I data set at another latitude in order to check the sensitivity of the first result (reported above) of the global zone from 50S to 50N to the latitude zone selection.  To that end, I did another analysis for the global zone from 25S to 25N from July 1987 through January 2009 and present the results below.  The R code is essentially the same as for the previous analysis and is not shown here.</p>
<p>There were only slight differences between the trends for the two zones analyzed.  They both shown a highly auto correlation of the regression residuals even at higher orders and both time series show a step function at the 1997-1998 time period. Both zones also include zero in the CIs and thus cannot be shown to be statistically different than zero.</p>
<p>Trend slope = 0.00289; AR1 Corr = 0.707; SE = 0.000798; Adjusted CI = -0.00096 to 0.00673</p>
<p>The question remains about the trends found by Trenberth that were claimed to statistically significant.  Trenberth used Version 5 of the RSS SSM/I data set for the 1988 to 2003 time period while I used the later Version 6 from mid 1987 through January 2009.  Trenberth determined limits using a Monte Carlo procedure and I used the Nychka procedure from Santer et al. (2008) to adjust the CIs.  Version 5 of the RSS data set is no longer available to the public and can be accessed only by special permission.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Nierenberg</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-178742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicolas Nierenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-332127&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ryan Maue (#353)&lt;/a&gt;,Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-332086&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kenneth Fritsch (#352)&lt;/a&gt;,

I had the same timeout issue.  It occurs after going through the process of selecting the appropriate data and requesting the download.  ERA-40 worked like a charm, but for some reason the ERA-Interim isn&#039;t working.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-332127" rel="nofollow">Ryan Maue (#353)</a>,Re: <a href="#comment-332086" rel="nofollow">Kenneth Fritsch (#352)</a>,</p>
<p>I had the same timeout issue.  It occurs after going through the process of selecting the appropriate data and requesting the download.  ERA-40 worked like a charm, but for some reason the ERA-Interim isn&#8217;t working.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Maue</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/03/04/a-peek-behind-the-curtain/#comment-178741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Maue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-332086&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kenneth Fritsch (#352)&lt;/a&gt;, JRA-25 is only available to those with access to NCAR/UCAR, or university researchers.  The ECMWF data portal is fairly easy to use (ERA-interim), check the link in #349.  A similar tool should be available for ERA-40.

Nice work with the RSS data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-332086" rel="nofollow">Kenneth Fritsch (#352)</a>, JRA-25 is only available to those with access to NCAR/UCAR, or university researchers.  The ECMWF data portal is fairly easy to use (ERA-interim), check the link in #349.  A similar tool should be available for ERA-40.</p>
<p>Nice work with the RSS data.</p>
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