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	<title>Comments on: The UK Met Office Deepens The Moat</title>
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		<title>By: The Englishman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185952</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Englishman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-347068&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JC (#49)&lt;/a&gt;,
The British Government has responded to the petition:&lt;em&gt;
“We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to force the Climate Research Unit, or other publicly funded organisations to release the source codes used in their computer models.”
&lt;strong&gt;Details of Petition:&lt;/strong&gt;
“The Met Office , the climate research unit and various individuals at numerous academic institutions are refusing to release the source codes used in their climate research models. These are tax payer funded institutions, which are influencing government policy decisions which will affect the day to day lives of us all. With the Prime Minister&#039;s belief in a new age of transparency, it is unsurportable that these publicly funded organisations, are not open to public scrutiny.”&lt;/em&gt;
The Government is strongly committed to the principles of freedom of information, and the Environmental Information Regulations 2004 specifically implement our international obligations over access to environmental information. The Met Office&#039;s commitment to openness and transparency in the conduct of their operations and to the sharing of information is set out clearly on their website (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/legal/foi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/legal/foi.html&lt;/a&gt;).
Simple and transparent licences are in place to facilitate the re-use of the Met Office&#039;s meteorological and climate data, and large quantities are freely available for academic and personal use, for example through the UK Climate Impacts Programme and the British Atmospheric Data Centre.
The Met Office&#039;s climate models are configurations based on the Unified Model (UM), the numerical modelling system developed and used by the Met Office to produce all their weather forecasts and climate predictions.
You may be interested to know that the UM, including source code, is available for external use under licence. For general research, the licence is free; the Met Office just asks individuals to submit an abstract describing the research to be undertaken, and to provide an annual report describing the work undertaken, the results achieved and future work plans.
To improve access to their climate models, the Met Office has worked with Reading and Bristol Universities and NERC to develop a low-resolution version which can be run on a PC and is available to all UM licence holders.
Further Information on how to apply for a research licence can be found on the Met Office website.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/creating/working_together/um_collaboration.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/creating/working_together/um_collaboration.html&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-347068" rel="nofollow">JC (#49)</a>,<br />
The British Government has responded to the petition:<em><br />
“We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to force the Climate Research Unit, or other publicly funded organisations to release the source codes used in their computer models.”<br />
<strong>Details of Petition:</strong><br />
“The Met Office , the climate research unit and various individuals at numerous academic institutions are refusing to release the source codes used in their climate research models. These are tax payer funded institutions, which are influencing government policy decisions which will affect the day to day lives of us all. With the Prime Minister&#8217;s belief in a new age of transparency, it is unsurportable that these publicly funded organisations, are not open to public scrutiny.”</em><br />
The Government is strongly committed to the principles of freedom of information, and the Environmental Information Regulations 2004 specifically implement our international obligations over access to environmental information. The Met Office&#8217;s commitment to openness and transparency in the conduct of their operations and to the sharing of information is set out clearly on their website (<a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/legal/foi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/legal/foi.html</a>).<br />
Simple and transparent licences are in place to facilitate the re-use of the Met Office&#8217;s meteorological and climate data, and large quantities are freely available for academic and personal use, for example through the UK Climate Impacts Programme and the British Atmospheric Data Centre.<br />
The Met Office&#8217;s climate models are configurations based on the Unified Model (UM), the numerical modelling system developed and used by the Met Office to produce all their weather forecasts and climate predictions.<br />
You may be interested to know that the UM, including source code, is available for external use under licence. For general research, the licence is free; the Met Office just asks individuals to submit an abstract describing the research to be undertaken, and to provide an annual report describing the work undertaken, the results achieved and future work plans.<br />
To improve access to their climate models, the Met Office has worked with Reading and Bristol Universities and NERC to develop a low-resolution version which can be run on a PC and is available to all UM licence holders.<br />
Further Information on how to apply for a research licence can be found on the Met Office website.<br />
<a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/creating/working_together/um_collaboration.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/creating/working_together/um_collaboration.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bishop Hill</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bishop Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron

I&#039;ll look into it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Cram</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Cram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-349229&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bishop Hill (#52)&lt;/a&gt;,

I do not believe any institutions or individuals actually placed any restrictions on the data.  Climate data is not sensitive or related to national security.  A restriction on data is contrary to the standards of science.  The claim data was provided to Jones with restrictions is not credible IMO.  If it had happened, there would be written agreements detailing exactly what the restrictions are.  Someone should file an FOI request for these agreements.  I bet Jones cannot come up with even one.   Yes, I read the link by curious above and I think the excuses from CRU about why they cannot provide these documents would be highly entertaining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-349229" rel="nofollow">Bishop Hill (#52)</a>,</p>
<p>I do not believe any institutions or individuals actually placed any restrictions on the data.  Climate data is not sensitive or related to national security.  A restriction on data is contrary to the standards of science.  The claim data was provided to Jones with restrictions is not credible IMO.  If it had happened, there would be written agreements detailing exactly what the restrictions are.  Someone should file an FOI request for these agreements.  I bet Jones cannot come up with even one.   Yes, I read the link by curious above and I think the excuses from CRU about why they cannot provide these documents would be highly entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[curious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ex Civil Servant writes on UK FOI:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6702869.ece]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ex Civil Servant writes on UK FOI:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6702869.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6702869.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bishop Hill</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bishop Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve now had a reply from the Met Office to my enquiry as to who was placing restrictions on the data.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The data were provided to us by Professor Phil Jones from the University of East Anglia, for the sole purpose of updating and distributing a gridded data product which we freely distribute without restriction.
It was made abundantly clear to us that there were restrictions placed upon Professor Jones at the time of data collection by some Institutes and individuals that preclude distribution of their station data. Some, but by no means all of these are documented in Hulme, 1994 which includes costs and restrictions for solely European data. The Met Office was not party to detailed information about which Institutes or individuals were involved.
Data which we have quality controlled for the purpose of performing real-time updates since 2000 and for which we know for certain no restrictions apply are made freely available on the website referred to.
The full report is: The cost of climate data-a European experience, M Hulme, WEATHER, LONDON, 1994, ROYAL METEOROLOGICAL SOCIETY.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve now had a reply from the Met Office to my enquiry as to who was placing restrictions on the data.</p>
<blockquote><p>
The data were provided to us by Professor Phil Jones from the University of East Anglia, for the sole purpose of updating and distributing a gridded data product which we freely distribute without restriction.<br />
It was made abundantly clear to us that there were restrictions placed upon Professor Jones at the time of data collection by some Institutes and individuals that preclude distribution of their station data. Some, but by no means all of these are documented in Hulme, 1994 which includes costs and restrictions for solely European data. The Met Office was not party to detailed information about which Institutes or individuals were involved.<br />
Data which we have quality controlled for the purpose of performing real-time updates since 2000 and for which we know for certain no restrictions apply are made freely available on the website referred to.<br />
The full report is: The cost of climate data-a European experience, M Hulme, WEATHER, LONDON, 1994, ROYAL METEOROLOGICAL SOCIETY.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sean Houlihane</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Houlihane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More secret public data:
http://badc.nerc.ac.uk/data/cet/

&lt;strong&gt;[Steve: you&#039;re abusing the term secret here relative to other situations.&lt;/strong&gt;]
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Met Office wish to monitor the use of these analyses and require an acknowledgement of the data source if they are used in any publication.

The application for access to the Met Office Central England Temperature data includes the Met Office Agreement to be completed online. Please note that the Met Office data sets are available for bona fide academic research only (sorry no undergraduates). If you wish to access the Met Office data for commercial or personal purposes, please contact the Met Office directly.

Your application for accessing the Central England Temperature data will be processed within a day of receipt and you will receive a confirmation email. Provided your application is complete and fully meets the Met Office conditions, a web account will be activated to allow you access to the CET data directories via your login account from the BADC WWW Browse Archive pages.

Please read the 00README file available under /badc/ukmo-cet/ directory to guide you through the tree structure and the data directory.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More secret public data:<br />
<a href="http://badc.nerc.ac.uk/data/cet/" rel="nofollow">http://badc.nerc.ac.uk/data/cet/</a></p>
<p><strong>[Steve: you're abusing the term secret here relative to other situations.</strong>]</p>
<blockquote><p>The Met Office wish to monitor the use of these analyses and require an acknowledgement of the data source if they are used in any publication.</p>
<p>The application for access to the Met Office Central England Temperature data includes the Met Office Agreement to be completed online. Please note that the Met Office data sets are available for bona fide academic research only (sorry no undergraduates). If you wish to access the Met Office data for commercial or personal purposes, please contact the Met Office directly.</p>
<p>Your application for accessing the Central England Temperature data will be processed within a day of receipt and you will receive a confirmation email. Provided your application is complete and fully meets the Met Office conditions, a web account will be activated to allow you access to the CET data directories via your login account from the BADC WWW Browse Archive pages.</p>
<p>Please read the 00README file available under /badc/ukmo-cet/ directory to guide you through the tree structure and the data directory.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: UK&#8217;s Met Office loses 25% of its funding &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UK&#8217;s Met Office loses 25% of its funding &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Jones may have drain the moat and sell access to his climate data lists and code to pay the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jones may have drain the moat and sell access to his climate data lists and code to pay the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CRUSourceCodes/

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Force the Climate Research Unit, or other publicly funded organisations to release the source codes used in their computer models. The Met Office, the climate research unit and various individuals at numerous academic institutions are refusing to release the source codes used in their climate research models.

These are tax payer funded institutions, which are influencing government policy decisions which will affect the day to day lives of us all.

With the Prime Minister&#039;s belief in a new age of transparency, it is unsurportable that these publicly funded organisations, are not open to public scrutiny .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CRUSourceCodes/" rel="nofollow">http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CRUSourceCodes/</a></p>
<p>We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Force the Climate Research Unit, or other publicly funded organisations to release the source codes used in their computer models. The Met Office, the climate research unit and various individuals at numerous academic institutions are refusing to release the source codes used in their climate research models.</p>
<p>These are tax payer funded institutions, which are influencing government policy decisions which will affect the day to day lives of us all.</p>
<p>With the Prime Minister&#8217;s belief in a new age of transparency, it is unsurportable that these publicly funded organisations, are not open to public scrutiny .</p>
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		<title>By: TonyN</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TonyN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The BBC&#039;s Science Correspondent, Pallab Ghosh, has some interesting background on the regional U&lt;em&gt;K Climate Predictions 2009&lt;/em&gt; controversy here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8106513.stm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC&#8217;s Science Correspondent, Pallab Ghosh, has some interesting background on the regional U<em>K Climate Predictions 2009</em> controversy here: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8106513.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8106513.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dodgy Geezer</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/06/18/the-uk-met-office-deepens-the-moat/#comment-185943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dodgy Geezer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-346322&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fred Harwood (#23)&lt;/a&gt;,

Only after repelling raiding parties from the neighbouring Barons. And then I usually get the prisoners to take all the dead bodies out and away with them...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-346322" rel="nofollow">Fred Harwood (#23)</a>,</p>
<p>Only after repelling raiding parties from the neighbouring Barons. And then I usually get the prisoners to take all the dead bodies out and away with them&#8230;</p>
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