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By: Dropping the P-Bomb « Deep Climate

Dropping the P-Bomb « Deep Climate — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:01:00 +0000

[...] the NOAA “talking points” memo on relaibility of the U.S. surface temperature record might constitute plagiarism, even though the whole memo was an evaluation of the data found at SurfaceStaions.org, which was [...]

By: On Climate, Comedy, Copyrights, and Cinematography « Watts Up With That?

On Climate, Comedy, Copyrights, and Cinematography « Watts Up With That? — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:48:42 +0000

[...] Pielke likely wouldn’t have commented on it, McIntyre wouldn’t have written about it, twice, and thus from all the pickups from those articles, Mr. Sinclair probably wouldn’t have ever [...]

By: MrPete

MrPete — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:34:51 +0000

Re: MrPete (#42),
Stopped by to say hi… a quick google search produced the link I was referring to:
Warm Words: How are we telling the climate story and can we tell it better?

Enjoy! (This is a 2006 document. It is nothing new at CA… but new readers might find it…enlightening )

A money quote from page 8:

To help address the chaotic nature of the climate change discourse in the UK today, interested agencies now need to treat the argument as having been won, at least for popular communications. This means simply behaving as if climate change exists and is real, and that individual actions are effective. The ‘facts’ need to be treated as being so taken-for-granted that they need not be spoken.

By: Scott Brim

Scott Brim — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:31:40 +0000

. Re: Hu McCulloch (#52)

It wasn't there a couple of days ago, was it?

The pdf I downloaded on June 24th does not show it. . Perhaps 1984 is coming early this year.

By: Hu McCulloch

Hu McCulloch — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:29:45 +0000

Today (7/1) Anthony’s study is clearly referenced on the Talking Points memo, still dated 6/9:

References
Menne, Matthew J., Claude N. Williams, Jr. and Russell S. Vose, 2009: The United States
Historical Climatology Network Monthly Temperature Data – Version 2. Bulletin of the
American Meteorological Society, in press.
Peterson, Thomas C., 2006: Examination of Potential Biases in Air Temperature Caused by Poor
Station Locations. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 87, 1073-1080.
Watts, Anthony, 2009: Is the U.S. Surface Temperature Record Reliable? The Heartland
Institute, Chicago. 29 pp.

It wasn’t there a couple of days ago, was it?

(I’ve also noted this on WUWT)

By: PaddikJ

PaddikJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:10:08 +0000

Steve’s criticism of AW’s non-attribution of Steve’s original attribution of Knowles, et al, was a little harsh, I think – I personally couldn’t take more than about 15 seconds of it.

By: Barclay E. MacDonald

Barclay E. MacDonald — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:20:52 +0000

I’m sorry stan. Everything is so pleasant and reassuring when one reads the Talking Points Memo. You and Anthony Watts are just confusing me:)Everything is so simple if I just accept the graphs in the Memo at face value and don’t let your referenced post confuse me.

If I were a responsible scientist working for the NOAA, how would I feel after receiving and thoughtfully reviewing the Talking Points Memo? What would I do with it? I’ll bet I would know about surfacestations.org and who Anthony Watts was without any citations in the memo at all. Your reference is an interesting post. It even mentions AW’s name.

By: stan

stan — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:46:42 +0000

Interesting post from Jennifer Marohasy — http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/how-the-us-temperature-record-is-adjusted/ — on how the US temp record is “adjusted”.

By: stephen richards

stephen richards — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:13:31 +0000

Re: Paul Clements (#41), Paul my friend, you are a bit behind the curve I'm afraid. Mr Pete, he of great fame at this site, has given the succinct explanation.

By: Steve McIntyre

Steve McIntyre — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:38:21 +0000

Hu, I disagree that copyright is relevant here. Consider te literal definition of plagiarism in the misconduct regulations – it’s broader than the student copying situation. It says:

Plagiarism is the appropriation of another person’s ideas, processes, results, or words without giving appropriate credit.

The Talking Points memo appropriated ideas, processes results or words without giving appropriate credit.