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		<title>By: La subida del nivel del mar que te va a ahogar &#8230; la pulga &#171; PlazaMoyua.org</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-241155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La subida del nivel del mar que te va a ahogar &#8230; la pulga &#171; PlazaMoyua.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 08:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Rahmstorf  Rejects IPCC Procedure [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-228438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ssatrend.m is used extensively in this new sea level paper 

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/04/science-story-the-making-of-a-sea-level-study/ 

Are the endpoint issues solved now?

Not sure if they matter at all in Vermeer et al, but I think the conversation should continue, this is interesting topic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ssatrend.m is used extensively in this new sea level paper </p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/04/science-story-the-making-of-a-sea-level-study/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/04/science-story-the-making-of-a-sea-level-study/</a> </p>
<p>Are the endpoint issues solved now?</p>
<p>Not sure if they matter at all in Vermeer et al, but I think the conversation should continue, this is interesting topic!</p>
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		<title>By: Niche Modeling &#187; Rhamstorf Reamed</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-215102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niche Modeling &#187; Rhamstorf Reamed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] search Niche Modelling, and see ClimateAudit, the Blackboard, as well as many other posts from these and other statistical blog [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Zorita sobre el Diagnóstico Copenhague: esconder y asustar &#171; PlazaMoyua.org</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-208390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zorita sobre el Diagnóstico Copenhague: esconder y asustar &#171; PlazaMoyua.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ClimateAudit: http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ClimateAudit: <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-187644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we can run MC-free code with different noise models, for example

cumsum(randn(300,1)*.2)+randn(300,1);

turns to


Hhh=tril(ones(300));
Iii=eye(300)*0.2;
Ccc=(Hhh*Iii)*(Hhh*Iii)&#039;+eye(300);
Cout=CC*Ccc*CC&#039;;

and


noisemodel=@()smooth(randn(300,1),5)*2;

(hmm, not sure how smooth.m handles endpoints, let&#039;s try Roman&#039;s method)

S5=zeros(300);
for i=1:300
    tt=zeros(300,1);
    tt(i)=1;
    S5(:,i)=smooth(tt,5);
end

Ccc=S5*4*S5&#039;;
Cout=CC*Ccc*CC&#039;;


and then  sE_R=sqrt(diag(Cout)) gives values that will pass the test the little frequentist in me wrote in #246.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we can run MC-free code with different noise models, for example</p>
<p>cumsum(randn(300,1)*.2)+randn(300,1);</p>
<p>turns to</p>
<p>Hhh=tril(ones(300));<br />
Iii=eye(300)*0.2;<br />
Ccc=(Hhh*Iii)*(Hhh*Iii)&#8217;+eye(300);<br />
Cout=CC*Ccc*CC&#8217;;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>noisemodel=@()smooth(randn(300,1),5)*2;</p>
<p>(hmm, not sure how smooth.m handles endpoints, let&#8217;s try Roman&#8217;s method)</p>
<p>S5=zeros(300);<br />
for i=1:300<br />
    tt=zeros(300,1);<br />
    tt(i)=1;<br />
    S5(:,i)=smooth(tt,5);<br />
end</p>
<p>Ccc=S5*4*S5&#8242;;<br />
Cout=CC*Ccc*CC&#8217;;</p>
<p>and then  sE_R=sqrt(diag(Cout)) gives values that will pass the test the little frequentist in me wrote in #246.</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-187643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To avoid MC one can do the following:
replace original ssatrend.m lines

 R=filter(tfilt,1,paddedX);
 R=R((1:n)+M*2-1);

 with
%% start UC mod.
%paddedX (minimumroughness) can be though as matrix B times the input series:

 idx=(n-mp+(1:mp)&#039;);
 Xi=[idx ones(M,1)];
 Xi2=[n+(1:M)&#039; ones(M,1)];
 Be=Xi2*pinv(Xi);

 idx=(1:M)&#039;;
 Xi=[idx ones(M,1)];
 Xi2=[(-(M-1):0)&#039; ones(M,1)];
 Bs=Xi2*pinv(Xi);

 BsZ=[Bs zeros(M,n-M)];
 BeZ=[zeros(M,n-M) Be];
 Ii=eye(n);
 B=[BsZ;Ii;BeZ];

%% now B*x equals paddedX ( x is the input series )

%% next,  filter(tfilt,1, .. in &#039;matrix times vector&#039; -format:

 tt=[tfilt;zeros(length(paddedX)-length(tfilt),1)];
 F=tril(toeplitz(tt));

%% and finally, chop the padded values

 Z=[zeros(n,M*2-1) Ii zeros(n,1)];

%% now, Z*F*B*x equals R ..
 CC=Z*F*B;
 R=CC*x;
%% .. and unity variance white noise process covariance (I) propagates through the filter:
 Cout=CC*CC&#039;;
%% end UC mod.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To avoid MC one can do the following:<br />
replace original ssatrend.m lines</p>
<p> R=filter(tfilt,1,paddedX);<br />
 R=R((1:n)+M*2-1);</p>
<p> with<br />
%% start UC mod.<br />
%paddedX (minimumroughness) can be though as matrix B times the input series:</p>
<p> idx=(n-mp+(1:mp)&#8217;);<br />
 Xi=[idx ones(M,1)];<br />
 Xi2=[n+(1:M)' ones(M,1)];<br />
 Be=Xi2*pinv(Xi);</p>
<p> idx=(1:M)&#8217;;<br />
 Xi=[idx ones(M,1)];<br />
 Xi2=[(-(M-1):0)' ones(M,1)];<br />
 Bs=Xi2*pinv(Xi);</p>
<p> BsZ=[Bs zeros(M,n-M)];<br />
 BeZ=[zeros(M,n-M) Be];<br />
 Ii=eye(n);<br />
 B=[BsZ;Ii;BeZ];</p>
<p>%% now B*x equals paddedX ( x is the input series )</p>
<p>%% next,  filter(tfilt,1, .. in &#8216;matrix times vector&#8217; -format:</p>
<p> tt=[tfilt;zeros(length(paddedX)-length(tfilt),1)];<br />
 F=tril(toeplitz(tt));</p>
<p>%% and finally, chop the padded values</p>
<p> Z=[zeros(n,M*2-1) Ii zeros(n,1)];</p>
<p>%% now, Z*F*B*x equals R ..<br />
 CC=Z*F*B;<br />
 R=CC*x;<br />
%% .. and unity variance white noise process covariance (I) propagates through the filter:<br />
 Cout=CC*CC&#8217;;<br />
%% end UC mod.</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-187642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-354026&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aslak Grinsted (#256)&lt;/a&gt;,


It seems that you want even wider CIs near the endpoints. Once again, let&#039;s first answer correctly to question &quot;What happens to whitenoise if it goes through ssatrend?&quot;  Moore05 need to be fixed, and Rahmstorf&#039;s conclusions are invalid. Shouldn&#039;t make much difference to the big picture, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-354026" rel="nofollow">Aslak Grinsted (#256)</a>,</p>
<p>It seems that you want even wider CIs near the endpoints. Once again, let&#8217;s first answer correctly to question &#8220;What happens to whitenoise if it goes through ssatrend?&#8221;  Moore05 need to be fixed, and Rahmstorf&#8217;s conclusions are invalid. Shouldn&#8217;t make much difference to the big picture, right?</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-187641</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-354026&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aslak Grinsted (#256)&lt;/a&gt;,


ssatrend.m:
%   SE_R: standard error of the R (how much of sE_x is remaining in R).

how much of 0 is remaining in R ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-354026" rel="nofollow">Aslak Grinsted (#256)</a>,</p>
<p>ssatrend.m:<br />
%   SE_R: standard error of the R (how much of sE_x is remaining in R).</p>
<p>how much of 0 is remaining in R ?</p>
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		<title>By: Aslak Grinsted</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-187640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aslak Grinsted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-353855&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jean S (#254)&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;blockquote&gt;The issue is that you make your predictions based on noisy observations, i.e., you have an additional uncertainty associated with the prediction itself. This is assessed in my code by the noisy padding process within your Monte Carlo simulation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I do not believe that it is assessed correctly in your code. That is why I ask you to consider the case sE_x=0. That would result in sE_R=0, if I read your code-snippet in #251 correctly. That is sE_R=0 is clearly wrong, because even with sE_x=0 there would still be a prediction error. To test it you can try: ssatrend(cos(1:200),11,0).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-353855" rel="nofollow">Jean S (#254)</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>The issue is that you make your predictions based on noisy observations, i.e., you have an additional uncertainty associated with the prediction itself. This is assessed in my code by the noisy padding process within your Monte Carlo simulation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do not believe that it is assessed correctly in your code. That is why I ask you to consider the case sE_x=0. That would result in sE_R=0, if I read your code-snippet in #251 correctly. That is sE_R=0 is clearly wrong, because even with sE_x=0 there would still be a prediction error. To test it you can try: ssatrend(cos(1:200),11,0).</p>
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		<title>By: UC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/#comment-187639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-353761&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aslak Grinsted (#250)&lt;/a&gt;,


The new version seems to output different R than the previous. But here&#039;s the difference approx. difference between Jean&#039;s and ssatrend.m ver4 uncertainties

( changed line
CI=prctile(mcreal&#039;,[5 95])&#039;;
to
CI=prctile(mcreal&#039;,[2.5 97.5])&#039;;
to match better with sE_R*2 used in earlier versions  )

]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-353761" rel="nofollow">Aslak Grinsted (#250)</a>,</p>
<p>The new version seems to output different R than the previous. But here&#8217;s the difference approx. difference between Jean&#8217;s and ssatrend.m ver4 uncertainties</p>
<p>( changed line<br />
CI=prctile(mcreal&#8217;,[5 95])&#8217;;<br />
to<br />
CI=prctile(mcreal&#8217;,[2.5 97.5])&#8217;;<br />
to match better with sE_R*2 used in earlier versions  )</p>
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