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		<title>By: Tingley and Huybers 2009 &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-412165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tingley and Huybers 2009 &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a special feature appearance, Mann&#8217;s PC1 (though MBH98-99 are not cited). [Oct 24 - Also see followup post here; it appears that Appell was discussing another unpublished Tingley and Huybers not [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a special feature appearance, Mann&#8217;s PC1 (though MBH98-99 are not cited). [Oct 24 - Also see followup post here; it appears that Appell was discussing another unpublished Tingley and Huybers not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: They Are Still Trying to Rewrite Climate to Show Current Conditions Are Abnormal</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-271680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[They Are Still Trying to Rewrite Climate to Show Current Conditions Are Abnormal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 08:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] latest attempt to resurrect the hockey stick by Tingley and Huybers was quickly dismissed as more of the same using some statistical manipulation. Continued denial of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] latest attempt to resurrect the hockey stick by Tingley and Huybers was quickly dismissed as more of the same using some statistical manipulation. Continued denial of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bent-out-of-shape</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bent-out-of-shape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-363823&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bender (#120)&lt;/a&gt;,

Intrigue you? ...wow. You got moxy, massengill-bolsa.

How about the statement in this post that the ice core record &quot;goes down&quot;. Of course it gets cooler. Due to precession of the equinoxes, JJA (June-July-August) insolation is decreasing over the last 2000 years. This is quite evident in the ice core data as McIntyre points out by &quot;it go down&quot;.

What isn&#039;t addressed in this post is the uptick during the last 100-150 years or so. All things being equal, it should keep on &quot;going down&quot; as JJA insolation continues to decrease - just as it did for the last 2000 years (Figure 3F). Both the ice core and lake sediments show it. We&#039;ll leave out the trees to make you happy. What is being argued about here is the length of the &quot;blade of the hockey stick&quot;. Why is there even an inflection at all?

What&#039;s the cause of the increase in temperatures over the last 150 years in both lake and ice archives??? Feel free to throw out any bad datasets and reaverage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-363823" rel="nofollow">bender (#120)</a>,</p>
<p>Intrigue you? &#8230;wow. You got moxy, massengill-bolsa.</p>
<p>How about the statement in this post that the ice core record &#8220;goes down&#8221;. Of course it gets cooler. Due to precession of the equinoxes, JJA (June-July-August) insolation is decreasing over the last 2000 years. This is quite evident in the ice core data as McIntyre points out by &#8220;it go down&#8221;.</p>
<p>What isn&#8217;t addressed in this post is the uptick during the last 100-150 years or so. All things being equal, it should keep on &#8220;going down&#8221; as JJA insolation continues to decrease &#8211; just as it did for the last 2000 years (Figure 3F). Both the ice core and lake sediments show it. We&#8217;ll leave out the trees to make you happy. What is being argued about here is the length of the &#8220;blade of the hockey stick&#8221;. Why is there even an inflection at all?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the cause of the increase in temperatures over the last 150 years in both lake and ice archives??? Feel free to throw out any bad datasets and reaverage.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-363818&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bent-out-of-shape (#119)&lt;/a&gt;,
There&#039;s an art to baiting auditors. You&#039;ve got to find that hook. Your challenge is you have tons of competition right now. Lots of worms out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-363818" rel="nofollow">bent-out-of-shape (#119)</a>,<br />
There&#8217;s an art to baiting auditors. You&#8217;ve got to find that hook. Your challenge is you have tons of competition right now. Lots of worms out there.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-363818&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bent-out-of-shape (#119)&lt;/a&gt;,
I don&#039;t think that was discussed per se. Steve and I noticed that the time frame of the simulation was off. But, as I said, we stopped auditing that paper when everybody got yanked by Briffa and Yamal. Go ahead and give us a read of the paper. Say something provocative about it. Intrigue us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-363818" rel="nofollow">bent-out-of-shape (#119)</a>,<br />
I don&#8217;t think that was discussed per se. Steve and I noticed that the time frame of the simulation was off. But, as I said, we stopped auditing that paper when everybody got yanked by Briffa and Yamal. Go ahead and give us a read of the paper. Say something provocative about it. Intrigue us.</p>
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		<title>By: bent-out-of-shape</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bent-out-of-shape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-363777&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bender (#115)&lt;/a&gt;,

you pointed out a good article about ocean sediment cores from Indonesia. I responded. No one else did. Not even you after calling it &quot;provocative&quot;. So I&#039;m like WTF. Not hard to understand.

BTW, I may have missed it: did anyone talk about precession changes during the last 2000 years when discussing the Kaufman 2009 paper - or just about proxies and statistics. If so, I&#039;d be happy if you could point that out, b/c I couldn&#039;t find it. ...just wanted to do some actual climate auditing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-363777" rel="nofollow">bender (#115)</a>,</p>
<p>you pointed out a good article about ocean sediment cores from Indonesia. I responded. No one else did. Not even you after calling it &#8220;provocative&#8221;. So I&#8217;m like WTF. Not hard to understand.</p>
<p>BTW, I may have missed it: did anyone talk about precession changes during the last 2000 years when discussing the Kaufman 2009 paper &#8211; or just about proxies and statistics. If so, I&#8217;d be happy if you could point that out, b/c I couldn&#8217;t find it. &#8230;just wanted to do some actual climate auditing.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-363791&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ianl8888 (#117)&lt;/a&gt;,
weather
done
next]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-363791" rel="nofollow">ianl8888 (#117)</a>,<br />
weather<br />
done<br />
next</p>
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		<title>By: ianl8888</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ianl8888]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-363777&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bender (#115)&lt;/a&gt;,

&quot;Of course the SH is important. But what about it is topical?&quot;

Bushfires that have burnt entire small towns to death (whole families melted to death while fleeing in their cars), coastal erosion that is a few metres from destroying $billions of property

The &quot;meeja&quot; here is having a field day blaming these ongoing events on our greedy consumption of fossil fuels. That such events have occurred previously in quite recent geological time is a very topical point, in my view, and this needs to be counter-driven]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-363777" rel="nofollow">bender (#115)</a>,</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course the SH is important. But what about it is topical?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bushfires that have burnt entire small towns to death (whole families melted to death while fleeing in their cars), coastal erosion that is a few metres from destroying $billions of property</p>
<p>The &#8220;meeja&#8221; here is having a field day blaming these ongoing events on our greedy consumption of fossil fuels. That such events have occurred previously in quite recent geological time is a very topical point, in my view, and this needs to be counter-driven</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Steig et al was published the SH was highly topical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Steig et al was published the SH was highly topical.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/10/24/tingley-and-huybers-2010/#comment-200278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-363773&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bent-out-of-shape (#114)&lt;/a&gt;,
The multiproxy blogosphere is a little bit pre-occupied right now with a pretty significant storyline: Briffa&#039;s Yamal. That&#039;s not hard to understand. The NH is land-dominated, hence the richness of records there. That&#039;s not hard to understand. The treeline in the NH is extensive. Glaciers are extensive. The Arctic is experiencing unprecedented warmth and sea ice melt, we are told. Kaufman et al (2009)focuses on the Arctic.
.
What would you like to discuss about the SH that would out-rank these other topics? Of course the SH is important. But what about it is topical?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-363773" rel="nofollow">bent-out-of-shape (#114)</a>,<br />
The multiproxy blogosphere is a little bit pre-occupied right now with a pretty significant storyline: Briffa&#8217;s Yamal. That&#8217;s not hard to understand. The NH is land-dominated, hence the richness of records there. That&#8217;s not hard to understand. The treeline in the NH is extensive. Glaciers are extensive. The Arctic is experiencing unprecedented warmth and sea ice melt, we are told. Kaufman et al (2009)focuses on the Arctic.<br />
.<br />
What would you like to discuss about the SH that would out-rank these other topics? Of course the SH is important. But what about it is topical?</p>
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