Comments on: The Kaufman Corrigendum

By: Skiphil

Skiphil — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:53 +0000

I found this comment at Pielke, Jr. (from Oct. 2009, in a discussion of “upside down” data from lake sediments) to be a very helpful take on how Mann & co. have managed to prolong these debates for years:

succinct summary of one Mannian method

50. Tom C said…

Roger -

To reduce this issue to the simplest form, Mann is (as always) fishing for a correlation. He throws in anything that has a large 20th century uptick whether the methodology was bad (BC pines) or the interpretation is wrong (varve thickness). He says “you can get a stick without trees” (look, nothing in my left hand) as he includes the varves; then he says “I can get a stick without Tiljander” (look, nothing in my right hand after the ball was transferred from the left hand) as he puts the BC pines back in.

When this game is challenged, his fallback is “teleconnection”.

Trying to pin him and his assorted defenders down is, as Steve notes, an effort to follow the shell game.

Wed Oct 28, 08:16:00 AM MDT

By: bender

bender — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:14:29 +0000

The restructuring of these old threads is very nice.
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Can’t wait to move well off “climate gate” and back on to auditing.

By: dougie

dougie — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:55:41 +0000

Re: dougie (#100), oops, just found out!!

By: dougie

dougie — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:09:10 +0000

Re: steven mosher (#99),

had to google – CliffsNotes (formerly Cliffs Notes, often, erroneously, CliffNotes, but originally Cliff’s Notes) – got it now

if i had a big enough brain i would give it a go. but dont hold your breathe waiting.
psst. it’s ok, benders attending to your pool as we speak. it’s our secret.

ps. how do you get smilies in comments?

By: steven mosher

steven mosher — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:29:28 +0000

Re: dougie (#98), post cliff notes for me when u r done. pssst. dont tell bender.

By: dougie

dougie — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:56:59 +0000

Re: bender (#96),

hi bender
i’m at http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=95 post
a feb 2005 SA article by David Appell about M.Mann funnily enough.

i like comment 41 since Patrick asks the same questions as me,
only better & more concisly.
Re: Patrick Trombly (#41),

be at it till xmas i reckon, see ya!!

By: MikeN

MikeN — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:19:47 +0000

>As I noted before, I suspect that, unless Korhola had spoken out, he would have toughed it out.

Steve, do you have any experience in dealing with Kaufmann beyond the e-mails last month?
Given your conservative nature in making accusations, as others have noted, I’m surprised the degree to which you lump him in with the rest of the Team.

By: bender

bender — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:56:43 +0000

Re: dougie (#95), Good for you. Are you going through sequentially? What chapter are you on? Now you see why I say: READ THE BLOG. You must read it to see the Team patterns. NONE of this behavior is new. Do like dougie; read it.

By: dougie

dougie — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:47:39 +0000

Hi Steve
following your & benders advice, i’ve been ‘reading the the/early blog’, still not finished!!.

whats funny is the number of early posts by you, with no/or next to no comments, how times have changed!!

the number of years you’ve been plugging away at the multiproxy problems is astonishing & you deserve to be ‘pissed’ at times to say the least.
how anybody can look at a HS graph shaft & think ‘yes, that makes sense in the real world i know & the past history i read about’ makes no sense to me (why no comment from histos/arceos on this?).

your early posts are exactly how best a newbie to this debate/ blog can start to get to grips with above.
cheers
dougie

By: Lucy Skywalker

Lucy Skywalker — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:38:46 +0000

…heck, I didn’t mean to sound patronising, I can well imagine what committment has cost Steve. And others.