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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Asimov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asimov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve said: &quot;Obviously he has a preconceived result in mind. I am a computational physicist, and this is how all modern science works.&quot;

That isn&#039;t the issue.  Does modern science also go back and change old data PERMANENTLY  and IRREVOCABLY because it doesn&#039;t fit in with their preconceived result?  Oh, and throw the real data away after the changes?

Sorry, but that&#039;s NOT how modern science works.  Having a preconceived result in mind is totally acceptable, changing the facts because they don&#039;t fit in with your particular view is NOT acceptable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve said: &#8220;Obviously he has a preconceived result in mind. I am a computational physicist, and this is how all modern science works.&#8221;</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t the issue.  Does modern science also go back and change old data PERMANENTLY  and IRREVOCABLY because it doesn&#8217;t fit in with their preconceived result?  Oh, and throw the real data away after the changes?</p>
<p>Sorry, but that&#8217;s NOT how modern science works.  Having a preconceived result in mind is totally acceptable, changing the facts because they don&#8217;t fit in with your particular view is NOT acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: CRU Emails “may” be open to interpretation, but commented code by the programmer tells the real story</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CRU Emails “may” be open to interpretation, but commented code by the programmer tells the real story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] also in the collection of emails and documents from CRU. A commenter named Neal on climate audit writes: People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also in the collection of emails and documents from CRU. A commenter named Neal on climate audit writes: People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UninformedLuddite</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203717</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually mate upon re-reading your response to my initial post just delete anything I have said on this blog(just a little to condescending for me). I promise not to return. You have been given several smoking guns and they aren;t in the emails. find them yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually mate upon re-reading your response to my initial post just delete anything I have said on this blog(just a little to condescending for me). I promise not to return. You have been given several smoking guns and they aren;t in the emails. find them yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: UninformedLuddite</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203716</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I cannot reply to your post Steve I will reply here

Maybe I didn;t phrase what I meant that well. Some of the code(two verified with this behaviour so far) will output certain &#039;preconceived&#039; results with a very wide range of inputs and appear to have been designed that way (with some very basic obfuscation(hence my perjorative &#039;script-kiddie&#039; reference). Sorry I was not more clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I cannot reply to your post Steve I will reply here</p>
<p>Maybe I didn;t phrase what I meant that well. Some of the code(two verified with this behaviour so far) will output certain &#8216;preconceived&#8217; results with a very wide range of inputs and appear to have been designed that way (with some very basic obfuscation(hence my perjorative &#8216;script-kiddie&#8217; reference). Sorry I was not more clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Forget The Emails, Code Discusses “Artificially Adjusted” Temperatures &#124; Conspiratorium 101</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203715</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forget The Emails, Code Discusses “Artificially Adjusted” Temperatures &#124; Conspiratorium 101]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the code more of a smoking gun. The code is so hacked around to give predetermined results that it shows the bias of the coder. In other words make the code ignore inconvenient data to show what I want it to show. The code after a quick scan is quite a mess. Anyone with any pride would be to ashamed of to let it out public viewing,&#8221; writes Steve Mcintyre. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the code more of a smoking gun. The code is so hacked around to give predetermined results that it shows the bias of the coder. In other words make the code ignore inconvenient data to show what I want it to show. The code after a quick scan is quite a mess. Anyone with any pride would be to ashamed of to let it out public viewing,&#8221; writes Steve Mcintyre. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: W W</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[W W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I meant &quot;RealClimate refers to this article&quot; (not ClimateAudit)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant &#8220;RealClimate refers to this article&#8221; (not ClimateAudit)</p>
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		<title>By: W W</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[W W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the problem of divergence ClimateAudit refers to this article:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v391/n6668/full/391678a0.html

The abstract says: &quot;The cause of this increasing insensitivity of wood density to temperature changes is not known, but if it is not taken into account in dendroclimatic reconstructions, past temperatures could be overestimated.&quot;

Obviously the code did the exact opposite: past temperatures are underestimated and the proxy must be corrected to compensate.

Am I missing something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the problem of divergence ClimateAudit refers to this article:<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v391/n6668/full/391678a0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v391/n6668/full/391678a0.html</a></p>
<p>The abstract says: &#8220;The cause of this increasing insensitivity of wood density to temperature changes is not known, but if it is not taken into account in dendroclimatic reconstructions, past temperatures could be overestimated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously the code did the exact opposite: past temperatures are underestimated and the proxy must be corrected to compensate.</p>
<p>Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously he has a preconceived result in mind. I am a computational physicist, and this is how all modern science works.

It might not seem right to you, but this method of approaching problems actually works. If it didn&#039;t, no scientific progress would have been made since about the time of Newton and we&#039;d all still be living in the dark ages.

Before you approach a problem esp. a computational one, you have a predicted outcome in mind based on theory. You then apply known rules to your program, and hope it&#039;s results agree with your predicted outcome. If they don&#039;t, you try to adjust your theory slightly, write these adjustments into the program, and so the cycle continues until you have agreement.

This is certainly the way my field of physics is done, and I know from studying  philosophy of science that this is the way all modern science is done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously he has a preconceived result in mind. I am a computational physicist, and this is how all modern science works.</p>
<p>It might not seem right to you, but this method of approaching problems actually works. If it didn&#8217;t, no scientific progress would have been made since about the time of Newton and we&#8217;d all still be living in the dark ages.</p>
<p>Before you approach a problem esp. a computational one, you have a predicted outcome in mind based on theory. You then apply known rules to your program, and hope it&#8217;s results agree with your predicted outcome. If they don&#8217;t, you try to adjust your theory slightly, write these adjustments into the program, and so the cycle continues until you have agreement.</p>
<p>This is certainly the way my field of physics is done, and I know from studying  philosophy of science that this is the way all modern science is done.</p>
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		<title>By: Forget The Emails, Code Discusses “Artificially Adjusted” Temperatures &#124; NW0.eu Daily News</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203711</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forget The Emails, Code Discusses “Artificially Adjusted” Temperatures &#124; NW0.eu Daily News]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] “People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the code more of a smoking gun. The code is so hacked around to give predetermined results that it shows the bias of the coder. In other words make the code ignore inconvenient data to show what I want it to show. The code after a quick scan is quite a mess. Anyone with any pride would be to ashamed of to let it out public viewing,” writes Steve Mcintyre. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the code more of a smoking gun. The code is so hacked around to give predetermined results that it shows the bias of the coder. In other words make the code ignore inconvenient data to show what I want it to show. The code after a quick scan is quite a mess. Anyone with any pride would be to ashamed of to let it out public viewing,” writes Steve Mcintyre. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Asimov</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/22/these-will-be-artificially-adjusted/#comment-203710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asimov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please people, before you start dissecting the code, read the file HARRY_READ_ME.txt in it&#039;s entirety.  It will make MANY things clear.  Few of which are likely to make the CRU people happy...  But it does help make sense of the... ridiculous... state that the code is in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please people, before you start dissecting the code, read the file HARRY_READ_ME.txt in it&#8217;s entirety.  It will make MANY things clear.  Few of which are likely to make the CRU people happy&#8230;  But it does help make sense of the&#8230; ridiculous&#8230; state that the code is in.</p>
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