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	<title>Comments on: Climategatekeeping: Jones reviews Mann</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: More &#8220;Ground Zero&#8221; CRU email battles‏ &#124; Skeptical Swedish Scientists</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-235785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More &#8220;Ground Zero&#8221; CRU email battles‏ &#124; Skeptical Swedish Scientists]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Today I’ll report on the spectacle of Jones reviewing a submission by Mann et al. &#8220;    http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/     [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Today I’ll report on the spectacle of Jones reviewing a submission by Mann et al. &#8220;    <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/</a>     [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mosher: The Hackers &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-218043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mosher: The Hackers &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Without the mails which detail how these hacks work, one could imagine that the IPCC could be made “hack proof” merely by adopting more controls and a more open process. The mails, however, indicate that the science publishing process has also been hacked. Editors have been compromised, and the system of peer review has been corrupted. Very simply, one can make the IPCC process as open and transparent as one likes, but as long as it is fed by a corrupt journal process, you will still get garbage science out of the IPCC process. And further, you could reform the journals all you like and the process can still be corrupted by the individual influential researcher who hides his data and his code. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Without the mails which detail how these hacks work, one could imagine that the IPCC could be made “hack proof” merely by adopting more controls and a more open process. The mails, however, indicate that the science publishing process has also been hacked. Editors have been compromised, and the system of peer review has been corrupted. Very simply, one can make the IPCC process as open and transparent as one likes, but as long as it is fed by a corrupt journal process, you will still get garbage science out of the IPCC process. And further, you could reform the journals all you like and the process can still be corrupted by the individual influential researcher who hides his data and his code. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jimw</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following letter was rejected by Science Magazine:

Global Warring
I was happy to see Michael Mannn and colleagues acknowledging the existence of the Medieval Warm Period, as everyone else calls it - or the Medieval Temperature Anomaly, as they would prefer.  This is a welcome departure from his colleague&#039;s previous opinion (Overpeck?), if the released emails are accurate, that it needed to be gotten rid of, and welcome even if alleged to be a merely local phenomenon.  Perhaps his moderate most current posture means that simple renaming will be sufficient for his purposes.

I was disappointed that the interviewer (podcast) did not inquire of Mann his opinion of the not inconsiderable evidence of the existence of a corresponding warm period in Russia, China, Pakistan, North America, and Patagonia.

I respectfully request that Science magazine consider reviewing his previous publications in their journal in view of the University of East Anglia material, and also the rejected papers submitted by authors previously disparaged or intimidated by this cabal, including but not limited to Steve McIntyre, Roger Pielke, John Christy, Roy Spencer, Anthony Watts, Craig Loehle and Richard Lindzen.  It seems to me that a moral debt has been incurred by the choir boys of the AGW priesthood, and that penance must be said and amends must be made.  
Jim Whiting]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following letter was rejected by Science Magazine:</p>
<p>Global Warring<br />
I was happy to see Michael Mannn and colleagues acknowledging the existence of the Medieval Warm Period, as everyone else calls it &#8211; or the Medieval Temperature Anomaly, as they would prefer.  This is a welcome departure from his colleague&#8217;s previous opinion (Overpeck?), if the released emails are accurate, that it needed to be gotten rid of, and welcome even if alleged to be a merely local phenomenon.  Perhaps his moderate most current posture means that simple renaming will be sufficient for his purposes.</p>
<p>I was disappointed that the interviewer (podcast) did not inquire of Mann his opinion of the not inconsiderable evidence of the existence of a corresponding warm period in Russia, China, Pakistan, North America, and Patagonia.</p>
<p>I respectfully request that Science magazine consider reviewing his previous publications in their journal in view of the University of East Anglia material, and also the rejected papers submitted by authors previously disparaged or intimidated by this cabal, including but not limited to Steve McIntyre, Roger Pielke, John Christy, Roy Spencer, Anthony Watts, Craig Loehle and Richard Lindzen.  It seems to me that a moral debt has been incurred by the choir boys of the AGW priesthood, and that penance must be said and amends must be made.<br />
Jim Whiting</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ross Taylor</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Ross Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not know if you have all read Dr. Mann&#039;s letter to the WSJ of 31 Dec, which includes this salient passage:

&quot;Society relies upon the integrity of the scientific literature to inform sound policy. It is thus a serious offense to compromise the peer-review system in such a way as to allow anyone—including proponents of climate change science—to promote unsubstantiated claims and distortions.&quot;

Having carefully considered many of the peer-review related e-mails in the climategate package, I am, er, gobsmacked (to use the scientific term).

Can someone please get this man some high quality legal advice, as a matter of urgency.

You can read his letter here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612400823765102.html

If you wish to compare what he writes to the WSJ to what he writes to his colleagues, apart from Steve&#039;s work, there is an excellent ongoing analysis of the e-mails in great detail (about 3 hours reading&#039;s worth)- the comments are inclined to be slightly OT, but it is worthwhile reading, and can be found here:

http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know if you have all read Dr. Mann&#8217;s letter to the WSJ of 31 Dec, which includes this salient passage:</p>
<p>&#8220;Society relies upon the integrity of the scientific literature to inform sound policy. It is thus a serious offense to compromise the peer-review system in such a way as to allow anyone—including proponents of climate change science—to promote unsubstantiated claims and distortions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having carefully considered many of the peer-review related e-mails in the climategate package, I am, er, gobsmacked (to use the scientific term).</p>
<p>Can someone please get this man some high quality legal advice, as a matter of urgency.</p>
<p>You can read his letter here: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612400823765102.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612400823765102.html</a></p>
<p>If you wish to compare what he writes to the WSJ to what he writes to his colleagues, apart from Steve&#8217;s work, there is an excellent ongoing analysis of the e-mails in great detail (about 3 hours reading&#8217;s worth)- the comments are inclined to be slightly OT, but it is worthwhile reading, and can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/" rel="nofollow">http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Above it should say: &quot;*which is* not the original one&quot; )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Above it should say: &#8220;*which is* not the original one&#8221; )</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I stated, I am referring to the email (which is what we are discussing). It says:

&quot;the method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology (reverse regression)&quot;

The same terms are used by the re-written paper (not the original one which was reviewed) which includes Auffhammer as a co-author.The rest of your message is a ridiculous ad hominem.

I did not intend to comment on this topic any further, and will not do so from now on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I stated, I am referring to the email (which is what we are discussing). It says:</p>
<p>&#8220;the method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology (reverse regression)&#8221;</p>
<p>The same terms are used by the re-written paper (not the original one which was reviewed) which includes Auffhammer as a co-author.The rest of your message is a ridiculous ad hominem.</p>
<p>I did not intend to comment on this topic any further, and will not do so from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: RomanM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RomanM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213834&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Norbert&lt;/a&gt;:


&lt;blockquote&gt;Mikep, your own characterization is already wrong at the point ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;


By all means, Norbert, dispel the apparent ignorance of your comment by explaining exactly how the &quot;reverse&quot; regression referred to (which you claim to be &quot;commonly used&quot; in dendro without any actual knowledge of such a fact) differs from the &quot;inverse&quot; regression as known to statisticians.

It has become very clear that you have little understanding of statistics or science in general.  I doubt that you have ever published a scientific paper.  All we have seen here is your high school debating style (always on on irrelevant points) which frankly leaves a lot to be desired.  If you wish to contribute positively, try learning about a topic before commenting.  Ignorance contributes nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213834" rel="nofollow">Norbert</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mikep, your own characterization is already wrong at the point &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>By all means, Norbert, dispel the apparent ignorance of your comment by explaining exactly how the &#8220;reverse&#8221; regression referred to (which you claim to be &#8220;commonly used&#8221; in dendro without any actual knowledge of such a fact) differs from the &#8220;inverse&#8221; regression as known to statisticians.</p>
<p>It has become very clear that you have little understanding of statistics or science in general.  I doubt that you have ever published a scientific paper.  All we have seen here is your high school debating style (always on on irrelevant points) which frankly leaves a lot to be desired.  If you wish to contribute positively, try learning about a topic before commenting.  Ignorance contributes nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mikep, your own characterization is already wrong at the point were you state that the common method is &quot;inverse&quot; regression. But that is the type of regression proposed by the paper. The commonly used one (in dendroclimatology) is &quot;reverse&quot; regression. (According to the email.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikep, your own characterization is already wrong at the point were you state that the common method is &#8220;inverse&#8221; regression. But that is the type of regression proposed by the paper. The commonly used one (in dendroclimatology) is &#8220;reverse&#8221; regression. (According to the email.)</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom, you are simply repeating your argument.

In the 3 steps I mentioned above, the math being correct, by itself, doesn&#039;t even necessarily fully validate Step 1.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you are simply repeating your argument.</p>
<p>In the 3 steps I mentioned above, the math being correct, by itself, doesn&#8217;t even necessarily fully validate Step 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/climategatekeeping-jones-reviews-mann/#comment-213775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s rather like juggling too many balls, isn&#039;t it, Norbert?  So long as you only think about one bit of the argument at once, it all makes sense for you.

I said I wasn&#039;t going to debate this, but, sigh, one more go:

The paper deals with a statistical &quot;method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology&quot; and shows that the method - that is the math, as the method is just a mathematical machine the eats data and spits out a result - &quot;is wrong, biased, lousy, horrible, etc&quot;  And guess what?  The math of the paper &quot;appears to be correct.&quot;  Look at that!  A correct paper, showing that the method is wrong!  So what grounds are left to reject the paper?  That is the problem faced by the author of the email.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rather like juggling too many balls, isn&#8217;t it, Norbert?  So long as you only think about one bit of the argument at once, it all makes sense for you.</p>
<p>I said I wasn&#8217;t going to debate this, but, sigh, one more go:</p>
<p>The paper deals with a statistical &#8220;method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology&#8221; and shows that the method &#8211; that is the math, as the method is just a mathematical machine the eats data and spits out a result &#8211; &#8220;is wrong, biased, lousy, horrible, etc&#8221;  And guess what?  The math of the paper &#8220;appears to be correct.&#8221;  Look at that!  A correct paper, showing that the method is wrong!  So what grounds are left to reject the paper?  That is the problem faced by the author of the email.</p>
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