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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Paltridge: climategate bewijst dat consensus onzin is &#187; Climategate: feiten en duiding in het klimaatdebat</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-214170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paltridge: climategate bewijst dat consensus onzin is &#187; Climategate: feiten en duiding in het klimaatdebat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Stephen McIntyre merkte onlangs op zijn blog op dat het tot nu toe vooral die onderzoekers reageren op climategate die voor climategate zich ook al [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stephen McIntyre merkte onlangs op zijn blog op dat het tot nu toe vooral die onderzoekers reageren op climategate die voor climategate zich ook al [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DCC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-214118</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, William Connolley missed one!  Paging William Connolley!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, William Connolley missed one!  Paging William Connolley!</p>
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		<title>By: DCC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-214117</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lucid&quot; editorials by Alexander Cockburn are commonplace.  Unfortunately, they are also lunatic.  The man is a complete political idiot. I&#039;ve read his nonsense for about 30 years. He was the WSJ&#039;s pet Communist for a while. I soon realized that they published his ravings because they were so outrageous that he was a parody of what was wrong with the Left.

His editorial parrots the claim that global warming violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics.  What a surprise, at this late date, to find such a &quot;clinching&quot; argument! The paper he cites, &quot;Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics,” is total nonsense. The Second Law, you will recall, says that a cold body cannot warm a warmer body. Heat flows the other way.

The CO2 in the atmosphere does not &quot;warm&quot; the earth like a heat pump. Rather, it slows the re-radiation of the Sun&#039;s heat back into space. Heat continues to flow the proper direction, just a bit slower.

So, the limited effect of CO2 warming may well exist - it violates no physical laws. The problem is that the effect is miniscule compared to all the other variables that affect climate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lucid&#8221; editorials by Alexander Cockburn are commonplace.  Unfortunately, they are also lunatic.  The man is a complete political idiot. I&#8217;ve read his nonsense for about 30 years. He was the WSJ&#8217;s pet Communist for a while. I soon realized that they published his ravings because they were so outrageous that he was a parody of what was wrong with the Left.</p>
<p>His editorial parrots the claim that global warming violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics.  What a surprise, at this late date, to find such a &#8220;clinching&#8221; argument! The paper he cites, &#8220;Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics,” is total nonsense. The Second Law, you will recall, says that a cold body cannot warm a warmer body. Heat flows the other way.</p>
<p>The CO2 in the atmosphere does not &#8220;warm&#8221; the earth like a heat pump. Rather, it slows the re-radiation of the Sun&#8217;s heat back into space. Heat continues to flow the proper direction, just a bit slower.</p>
<p>So, the limited effect of CO2 warming may well exist &#8211; it violates no physical laws. The problem is that the effect is miniscule compared to all the other variables that affect climate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-214032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Team is way ahead of you.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
From: Tom Wigley 
To: Phil Jones 
Subject: Re: Revised CC text
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:40:57 -0700

Thanks, Phil.

A bunch of us are putting something together on the latest Lindzen and Choi crap (GRL). Not a comment, but a separate paper to avoid giving Lindzen the last word.

Tom.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=1066&amp;s=kwLindzen and Choi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Team is way ahead of you.</p>
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From: Tom Wigley<br />
To: Phil Jones<br />
Subject: Re: Revised CC text<br />
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:40:57 -0700</p>
<p>Thanks, Phil.</p>
<p>A bunch of us are putting something together on the latest Lindzen and Choi crap (GRL). Not a comment, but a separate paper to avoid giving Lindzen the last word.</p>
<p>Tom.
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<p>(<a href="http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=1066&amp;s=kwLindzen and Choi" rel="nofollow">Source</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Jimchip</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-213804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimchip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps this is OT: &quot;Opposite topic&quot;:

The team as &#039;victim&#039;. According to WaPo, more need to speak out for the team.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101155.html

&quot;A few scientists answered the Climategate charges almost instantly. Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, whose e-mails were among those made public, made a number of television and radio appearances.&quot;
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&quot;But they were largely alone. &quot;I haven&#039;t had all that many other scientists helping in that effort,&quot; Mann told me recently. &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this is OT: &#8220;Opposite topic&#8221;:</p>
<p>The team as &#8216;victim&#8217;. According to WaPo, more need to speak out for the team.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101155.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101155.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;A few scientists answered the Climategate charges almost instantly. Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, whose e-mails were among those made public, made a number of television and radio appearances.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&#8220;But they were largely alone. &#8220;I haven&#8217;t had all that many other scientists helping in that effort,&#8221; Mann told me recently. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Milesworthy</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-213288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Milesworthy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this thread von Storch has been criticised for saying that he thinks CO2 will cause damaging warming, so von Storch&#039;s point is proven. He *wants* to be criticised by both sides because it asserts his independence, and he needs statements against both sides in anything he writes to prevent him being drawn into one or other of the two &quot;camps&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this thread von Storch has been criticised for saying that he thinks CO2 will cause damaging warming, so von Storch&#8217;s point is proven. He *wants* to be criticised by both sides because it asserts his independence, and he needs statements against both sides in anything he writes to prevent him being drawn into one or other of the two &#8220;camps&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Milesworthy</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-213199</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Milesworthy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could someone point me to the engineering-quality risk analysis for doubling CO2. Without such a study we should stop emissions forthwith. This might sound sarcastic, but the demand for an &quot;engineering quality&quot; study is rather over-egged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone point me to the engineering-quality risk analysis for doubling CO2. Without such a study we should stop emissions forthwith. This might sound sarcastic, but the demand for an &#8220;engineering quality&#8221; study is rather over-egged.</p>
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		<title>By: To science or not to science? &#171; Vaccamadosca</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-213196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[To science or not to science? &#171; Vaccamadosca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] dallo scandalo noto come Climategate. Dico dovrebbe perché McIntyre nota che in realtà poco è cambiato nel dibattito. La diattriba prosegue fra i soliti noti e poche sono le eccezioni. Ma sempre [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dallo scandalo noto come Climategate. Dico dovrebbe perché McIntyre nota che in realtà poco è cambiato nel dibattito. La diattriba prosegue fra i soliti noti e poche sono le eccezioni. Ma sempre [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jaye</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-213048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Curry&#039;s remarks were cynical at best. I would call her the Artful Dodger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curry&#8217;s remarks were cynical at best. I would call her the Artful Dodger.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/23/von-storch-wsj-editorial/#comment-212999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just curious.  Can we get a full member list of &quot;The Team&quot;?

All I know is:

Mann
Trenberth
Jones
Schneider]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious.  Can we get a full member list of &#8220;The Team&#8221;?</p>
<p>All I know is:</p>
<p>Mann<br />
Trenberth<br />
Jones<br />
Schneider</p>
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