Climategate on Finnish TV

As a couple of Finnish readers have reported, there is an excellent Finnish Climategate documentary with English subtitles available on Youtube. (I have a couple of cameos from my pre-Climategate interview).

English Transcript here.


62 Comments

  1. P Gosselin
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM | Permalink

    IT’S A MUST SEE, 2 thumbs up.
    I watched it twice and like it even better than the pre-Christmas one. It is one-sided, but like we haven’t heard the other side already. I’m sending this to my daughter’s geography teacher, who is making the class watch AIT (again).

    • Manfred
      Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 5:00 PM | Permalink

      they really nailed it. best material to inform the open-minded but manipulated.

    • Pete
      Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 3:44 AM | Permalink

      “It is one-sided,”

      lol, Its says in part 1 that “Jones declined” (Rule 1: When in a hole, stop digging!)
      Hard to make a program that looks at both side when one side are in hiding and no doubt the U.E.A. have told Jones to keep his mouth closed.

  2. P Gosselin
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 3:38 PM | Permalink

    I imagine, Steve, you can really relate to Harry-the-data-maintenance-guy. We ought to find Harry and recruit him. Just imagine the stories he has to tell.

  3. Hoi Polloi
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 3:45 PM | Permalink

    I know it’s OT but can’t find the unthreaded thread.

    A very interesting read: “Accept Defeat, The Neuroscience of Screwing Up”:

    http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_accept_defeat/2/

  4. mccall
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 3:48 PM | Permalink

    WOW — they put it so succinctly! This is terrific investigative journalism and presentation.

    Why apparently no other news org’n has so distilled this key part of ClimateGate is also (gulp) “alarming!” It decisively and graphically rebuts any who selectively argue (paraphrasing), “why waste a perfectly good proxy (Briffa’s or any other’s that diverge in or slightly before the CWP)?”

    Renews the call, “update the proxies!”

  5. stan
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 3:49 PM | Permalink

    This isn’t nearly as damning or as judgmental as it could be (or probably should be). Yes, it clearly takes a skeptical view. But there was a lot of negative stuff about the hockey team that was available that they left out.

  6. mccall
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 3:51 PM | Permalink

    Above comment refers only to pt 1/3…

  7. P Gosselin
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:01 PM | Permalink

    I think the tome was just right.
    The Finns are not into the cheap-shot-taking kind of stuff. They’re a calm, technically well-educated population and they’ll put the piece together very nicely.
    Yup – a lot of holes are sprouting in this dike.

  8. Sam Hall
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:11 PM | Permalink

    Very good! I LOL over the little pieces of “Hide the Decline” I really wish we could have something like this on one of the broadcast networks in the U.S.

  9. TJS
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:16 PM | Permalink

    We need a transcript of this video. That requires the makers’ permission. The video is a great compilation of the story. Two thumbs up!

  10. Harald
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM | Permalink

    It is a clear exposition, albeit one-sided. All the Finnish scientists asked to comment came across as ‘sceptical’. It would have been more interesting if the programme makers also had included scientists defending the soundness of the IPCC report in light of the e-mails and documents from CRU.

    An interesting aspect is this: Finland is a politically centrist social democracy. YLE is Finland’s national public service broadcasting company which is state owned and financed by a compulsory television tax (http://yle.fi/fbc/thisisyle.shtml). So this is truly mainstream media in a politically moderate (leftist/liberal in US terms) country.

    I would love to see a similar coverage in my native Norway, but currently the content of climategate documents seems ‘untouchable’ for the main stream media here.

  11. Del D
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM | Permalink

    Great presentation, I love how they are called the hockey team! One question, I thought the hockey stick graph was debunked using random data to come up with the same hockey stick graph, not heat islands caused by city growth.

  12. Harald
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM | Permalink

    The English transcript is here: http://ohjelmat.yle.fi/mot/viime_viikon_mot/transcript_english

  13. Slabadang
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM | Permalink

    Hi Steven!

    I really hope you have god contact with the Nordic climate expertice and I mean the real experts.If not ill help you.Seems the hole nordic region is filled with questionmarks from the people working with nordic raw data since the fiftees.

    • Kate
      Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM | Permalink

      I’m glad to hear that Slabadang. Over here it won’t be easy.

      Nature Magazine published this in their Dec. 24, 2009 issue and are featuring it on their home page today.

      Newsmaker of the year: The power player Steven Chu.
      As a physicist, he found a way to capture atoms and won a Nobel prize. Now he is marshalling scientists and engineers to transform the world’s biggest energy economy. http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091223/full/462978a.html

      Look at the money he controls. All based on the hockey stick.

  14. pat
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM | Permalink

    steve, here are some scientists unhappy at AP spin:

    Wash Times: EDITORIAL: Biased reporting on Climategate
    Associated Press coverage raises eyebrows
    The first scientist quoted in the article, Mark Frankel, is director of scientific freedom, responsibility and law at the American Association for the Advancement of Science. AP quotes him as concluding that there is, “no evidence of falsification or fabrication of data, although concerns could be raised about some instances of very ‘generous interpretations.'” While the article mentions that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and some Republican lawmakers are calling for independent investigations, AP doesn’t note the views of the scientists they interviewed.
    When The Washington Times talked to Mr. Frankel, the scientist gave a quite different impression…
    Arizona State University professor Dan Sarewitz is quoted by AP as saying, “This is normal science politics, but on the extreme end, though still within bounds.” However, Mr. Sarewitz wasn’t speaking about the validity of the climate science; he was discussing his belief that politics infects how most scientific research is conducted. While AP used the quote to suggest that there was nothing terribly wrong that had been revealed in Climategate, Mr. Sarewitz was trying to issue a warning that politics infects too much science and that reporters, politicians and the public are naive about that reality. ..
    The third scientist interviewed by AP, professor Gerald North at Texas A&M University, joined Mr. Frankel and Mr. Sarewitz in hoping that climate data would be more readily shared in the future. He told us he also thinks it is important that investigations proceed at the two universities.
    The Washington Times tried to raise these issues with the reporters and editors involved, but Jack Stokes, AP’s manager of media relations, said that none of the five reporters who worked on the article nor their editors had time to answer questions.
    If AP refuses to explain how it could have given readers across the planet such a distorted view of Climategate, maybe an explanation can be found buried in the article itself. One of the reporters, Seth Borenstein, the AP science reporter who writes on global warming and who is the lead author on the piece, is part of the Climategate story himself….ETC

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/28/biased-reporting-on-climategate/?feat=article_top10_read

    • KevinM
      Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10 AM | Permalink

      “AP’s manager of media relations, said that none of the five reporters who worked on the article nor their editors had time to answer questions”

      Says it all.

  15. Brooks Hurd
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM | Permalink

    This coverage is very good. I would not say that it is perfect or 100% complete, however it is accurate enough to present what these emails show to people who have not been following the debate for the last 5+ years.

    It is to the credit of Finnish television that they did not assume that the emails were hacked. They stated correctly that they might have been either leaked or hacked. Since there has been no trail, charges filed, or even an arrest, it is a totally unwarranted assumption for so many news media types to state that the emails were hacked. The Finns got it right. We do not know at this point.

    Many news sources are following the New York Times in assuming that the emails and docs were hacked and therefore should not be reprinted. This is a ridiculous argument. Although they can not prove any hacking occurred, it is sufficient to assume that they were hacked so that they can create an excuse not to cover the story.

  16. Steven Mosher
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 6:09 PM | Permalink

    http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/29/the-green-religion-and-climategate-interview-with-steven-mosher/

    Steve Mc: Is there a full clip?

    • Keith Herbert
      Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 7:10 PM | Permalink

      Steven,
      I only get the last question and answer. Is there more?

    • TerryMN
      Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 8:11 PM | Permalink

      The full show should be here, first article, via podcast:

      http://www.dennismillerradio.com/site

      Kudos (and Quatloos :) ) to the first person who can find and post the start and end times of SJMs interview in the podcast

    • Dave Dardinger
      Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM | Permalink

      Steven,

      I’m a little confused about how they claim you were involved in the spread of the data. It says you had the info for several days and then started posting it here and there. But the last e-mail in the .zip is only a couple of days before it showed up on RC and AC. What exactly is the timing of what happened with respect to you?

    • TerryMN
      Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 8:29 PM | Permalink

      Excellent, it turns out the moshpit interview is labeled and split out in its own chapter of the podcast!

      Steve Mc: Do you have to subscribe to the podcast to get this?

      • TerryMN
        Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 8:50 PM | Permalink

        No. But it will be easier to just check your e-mail in a few minutes, the MP3 is on its way. I don’t use iTunes very often to listen to podcasts so it was a semi-PITA to get to it.

        Steve: Thanks

  17. Brooks Hurd
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 6:31 PM | Permalink

    Steven, Excellent!

  18. s.matik
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 7:13 PM | Permalink

    Just to let you guys know. YLE hasn’t covered the climategate any more than any other MSM out there. From what I’ve seen this documentary, done by MOT crew, is the only program so far (from what I know..) presenting the other side the move-a-long-nothing-to-see sign. The MOT crew is not in such a good reputation around here and certainly, despite the topic, they aren’t taken as seriously as should, making this one no exception. For instance, it was critisized by their fellow “green” science editor as beeing “plain populistic crap.”

    http://ohjelmaopas.yle.fi/artikkelit/tiede/tiede-blogit/kuumat-paikat/mot-%E2%80%93-lansimaisen-elamanmuodon-asialla

    Oh well, I’m glad to see someone had the time to make a translation for it!

    • Brooks Hurd
      Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 8:25 PM | Permalink

      It seems that there is a one word that comes to mind whenever certain climate scientists run smack into facts. That word is “crap.”

      Perhaps they are projecting.

  19. danimals
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 10:22 PM | Permalink

    I thought this was a masterful presentation! It distilled the pertinent issues and characters for a lay public. Any more than this would be too hard to digest for the mass public. I REALLY enjoyed this report!!!!

    2 THUMBS UP!!!

  20. JRR
    Posted Dec 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM | Permalink

    CBC should take note.Evenhanded coverage might save their funding.To see more honest coverage on Russian and now Finnish TV is funny and sad…The coverup or nothing to see here mentality will cost the old medias dearly.I like the Videos,thanks for posting,their coverage is fair and likely to have people read the emails for themselves.My take is this will be a slow wave type breaking story,2010 shall be fun.Please keep up the good work.

    • Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM | Permalink

      Lack of Media Coverage

      Can I second JRR’s opinion that it is sad that people in the English speaking world have to tune into Finnish and Russian broadcasts to view a documentary on the climategate episode.

      What would George Orwell have made of it?

      Thanks to the Finnish broadcasters for making the programme. I particularly enjoyed the short explanation about the influence of UHI on Russian and Scandinavian temperature data. Perhaps the most important point made in the film.

      Are there any plans to distribute the programme globally? In the UK channel 5 might consider showing it. However, I expect the BBC et al are already producing their counter-blast.

      Thanks again to our Finnish friends; happy New Year to you all.

  21. P Gosselin
    Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 4:57 AM | Permalink

    “Crap” is a word used in science to describe something unwanted and bothersome you wish would simply go away. Somthing that you just don’t want to deal with and you’d like to hide somehow.
    You’ll find it in the CRU Dictionary of Science along with “trick”.

  22. P Gosselin
    Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 5:09 AM | Permalink

    Steven Mosher,
    I was not able to listen to the audio clip at DMZ – looks like I have to $50 to subscribe. No other means of hearing the interviw?

    • TerryMN
      Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM | Permalink

      You don’t need to pay – there’s a limited version of the podcast which consists of the first 10 minutes of each show, plus selected interviews.

      1. Open iTunes
      2. Choose Advanced >> Subscribe to Podcast from the menu
      3. Paste http://www.DennisMillerRadio.com/podcast into the URL TextBox
      4. Click the triangle to the left of “The Dennis Miller Show” to expand
      5. Steven Mosher Interview is about 3rd from the bottom – click the “Get” button
      6. After listening, you can highlight the interview, right click, Copy, and Paste the MP3 onto your desktop or wherever is convenient
      7. Click the Unsubscribe button at the bottom of the playlist

      BTW – nice job on the interview, Steven – two interesting bits of info I wasn’t aware of!

  23. HTD
    Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 5:50 AM | Permalink

    s.matic is right, MOT is not that well regarded over here, though often interesting.
    Their take on things is mostly meant to get on a discussion, not to present things in an even-handed manner. But I guess AIT was not either ;)

  24. OYD
    Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 6:04 AM | Permalink

    Quite an eye opener to those who still believe in the “hack spin”. I hope the “flatearthers” are enjoying it as much as all of us

  25. Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM | Permalink

    As a producer of the show, I’d like to thank for all the comments. In case somebody is interested, the complete interviews with the four professors on the show are available here: http://ohjelmat.yle.fi/mot/viime_viikon_mot/lisatietoa – try a machine translation, and I’ll try to elaborate if there’s something unintelligible.

    Matti Virtanen

    • TerryMN
      Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 11:24 AM | Permalink

      Excellent production Matti – thank you!

    • Pedro L-B
      Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM | Permalink

      Hi Matti

      Hi Gunnon

      I´m writing you from Spain. Excuse my poor english.

      I´m looking for these interesting videos in the original state, without the subtitles in english, because I would like to subtitulate it in spanish. It´s my opinion that the videos can be very interesting for the Spaniards

      ¿Cold you indicate a link to download?

      Thank you

      • Jarkko
        Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 9:23 AM | Permalink

        Pedro L-B,

        • Jarkko
          Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 9:24 AM | Permalink

          Sorry, didn’t want the video to show.

        • Pedro L-B
          Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 9:56 AM | Permalink

          Thank you very mutch, Jarkko

          If somebody is interested in the videos with subtitles in Spanish I will upload to Youtube when they are ready.

          Happy celebration of New Year

          Pedro

    • Posted Jan 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM | Permalink

      Matti
      Thank you for this firstrate piece of broadcasting. You have done the world a service. It is the best presentation of Climategate that I have seen. Yesterday I typed up the English subtitles before finding them online; it would be very nice to have the rest translated to the same standard, particularly since you bring out Russian issues in a very important way IMO.

  26. honorable
    Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM | Permalink

    Not published by RealClimate:

    “There is little point comparing models with « data » if the data are not valid. See this documentary from Finnish TV. Notably the third part, which deals with the issue of heatislands in Russia badly dealt with.

    http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/29/climategate-on-finnish-tv/#more-9754

    Published in an edited form by RealClimate (as a result of the above comment being blocked):

    “264 The cavalier way with which you block comments that might appear critical is simply disgusting. I’m very disturbed by climategate and the way RealClimate is managed. More science and less activism, please. Criticism is the essence of the scientific approach. In my scientific research, I have always welcomed criticism, [edit]

    By the way, I am a professor of Medicine in a first rate North American university.

    [Response: Oh please. People repeating the same old tired nonsense add nothing to a comment thread and I make no apology for trying to maintain the signal to noise ratio. Not every letter to the editor gets published either. - gavin]”

    PS : here is what was edited (i.e. deleted) : “and never would you find in my emails any thing coming close to what I have read from Mann, Jones et al.. Get your act together and stop your cherry picking.”

    Conclusion: I am ashamed of the climate scientists of RealClimate. They are basically political activists.

    • TerryMN
      Posted Dec 30, 2009 at 2:13 PM | Permalink

      I agree with your conclusion and this is probably OT – snip away if so, but I think the day is fast approaching when someone will compare timestamps and quantity of posts by members of the team operating realclimate, vs. what they’re (supposed to be) doing and being paid for wrt their (mostly taxpayer funded) day jobs. Just a guess though.

  27. Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 4:05 AM | Permalink

    Hola Pedro,

    I hope you can work with these (3 parts):

    English transcript is here: http://ohjelmat.yle.fi/mot/viime_viikon_mot/transcript_english

    Matti

    • Pedro L-B
      Posted Jan 1, 2010 at 4:42 PM | Permalink

      .
      Thank you very mutch Matti

      We are now performing the transcription to spanish and subtitles.

      The refurbished videos will be uploaded to Youtube and linked here. I wil link also the Subrip file for help to other language transcriptions, if there is interested people.

      P.S. the transcript-english text is not exactly the same as subtitles readed in the videos. Some minor paragraphs are lost in the transcript.

      • Posted Jan 1, 2010 at 5:33 PM | Permalink

        Hi Pedro

        I’m translationg it into Norwegian, but I’ll wait for your subrip file.

        Thanks!

        • Pedro L-B
          Posted Jan 4, 2010 at 5:26 AM | Permalink

          Hi Torkill

          We translated de subtitles to spanish and we are now syncronizing the times.
          The 1/3 has 158 subtitles
          The 2/3 has 178 subtitles
          The 3/3 has 166 subtitles
          Many real subtitles don´t appears in the english transcript document.
          When we finish the work I will notify you where to download from the srt files.
          Best regards

        • Posted Jan 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM | Permalink

          Great, Pedro! I’ll buy you a bear some day.

        • Pedro L-B
          Posted Jan 5, 2010 at 10:28 AM | Permalink

          Hi Torkill

          The subrip file Ilmastogate 13.srt synchronized and with spanish subtitles is here : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z4XLZEOE

          You only need to trnascript from spanish to Norwegian

          I will post you the next files when we finish. May be tomorrow. In Spain we are awaiting this night to the “Reyes Magos”, our local Santa Claus but with camels instead of reindeers.
          The gift for the bad boys will be the coal (I hope).

          Best wishes

          Pedro

        • Pedro L-B
          Posted Jan 5, 2010 at 10:30 AM | Permalink

          Excuse me Torkill

          ¿Bear or beer?

        • Posted Jan 6, 2010 at 12:29 PM | Permalink

          Hehe.

          Looking at the weather outside, I you’ll have to be ice beer. It’s -26,9 °C outside of my kitchen window now, yet not to bad outside, because of the dry weather.

          Cheers

        • Pedro L-B
          Posted Jan 9, 2010 at 6:00 AM | Permalink

          .
          Hi Torkill

          The three final subtitle files are here :

          http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4E1HAS7O
          http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BRPZZHQP
          http://www.megaupload.com/?d=07LBOI7F

          Please verify if they are synchronized. I´m angry with VirtualDub in fixing subtitles. Too complex for me. I will try PocketDivx today.

          Happy cold winter !

          Pedro

    • Pedro L-B
      Posted Jan 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM | Permalink

      .
      Hi Matti

      We finished the spanish subtitle transcription and the resulting videos are here :

      Buenas noches

      Pedro

  28. P Gosselin
    Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 8:44 AM | Permalink

    2 responses to Dr Mann’s Wapo esitorial, may be of interest:

    http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/12/30/a-response-to-mike-manns-washington-post-op-ed/

    http://sppiblog.org/news/a-response-to-michael-mann

  29. Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 10:57 AM | Permalink

    Mr. McIntyre,

    Thank you for all of your work to uncover the truth! If you ever visit Austin Texas, I’ll buy you a beer.

    Regards,

    John Barksdale

    http://stoptheaustinecad.blogspot.com

  30. J. Watson
    Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM | Permalink

    This documentary should be sent to the BBC who have adopted a disgracefully one-sided approach to ‘global warming'; As have Channel Four and virtually all other media outlets in the UK.
    When Climategate happened, they (BBC, ITN, Channel Four, Sky etc) were more interested in how the emails could have been hacked in to, rather than seriously looking at their content. After the day it happened, little or nothing has been said or done since. So much for investigative journalism (excepting Christopher Booker in The Daily Telegraph, who has been a lone voice questioning the so called ‘consensus’.
    Well done Finnish TV.

  31. Bob
    Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM | Permalink

    Very interesting I was alwayss skeptical of the science since there was no consensus on human caused climate change. I hope the investigation brings everything into the open. Thank you Steve for all your hard work and Mr. McKitrick.

  32. honorable
    Posted Dec 31, 2009 at 4:35 PM | Permalink

    Blocked on RealClimate:

    “Gavin’s writing and attitude remind me very much of the apologetics textbooks of my parents. It’s eerily striking how times have not changed.”

  33. Greg Wilson
    Posted Jan 3, 2010 at 5:46 PM | Permalink

    One thing I would have liked to see included was the conclusions of the Wegman Report. There have been a number of youtube videos out lately that suggest that the Wegman Report actually supported Man’s conclusions, even though they found some errors in his methods. The final sentence from executive summary of the report states:

    “Overall, our committee believes that Mann’s assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade of the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year of the millennium cannot be supported by his analysis.”

    Looks pretty clear to me.

  34. Posted Jan 18, 2010 at 3:23 AM | Permalink

    Excellent videos! The climate change “crisis” is not the result of real science but rather a conspiracy of political science. It is a bigger scam than the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme. What a coincidence it is that most believers and promoters of the “crisis” are socialist leaning and the solutions they propose include new taxes and less freedom. I’m a Bail Bondsman and if any of these clowns finally get exposed and arrested, I would never bail them out of jail.

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