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		<title>By: Wij van IPCC-eend adviseren&#8230; &#187; Climategate: feiten en duiding in het klimaatdebat</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-223226</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wij van IPCC-eend adviseren&#8230; &#187; Climategate: feiten en duiding in het klimaatdebat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] plaatst kanttekeningen qua spelling, en is kritisch over enkele ‘advocacy’-formuleringen, maar de overdrijving van het stuk Nederland onder zeeniveau die Vrij Nederland onthulde corrigeert hij niet. Terwijl hij in de zelfde alinea wel vraagt om 2 woordjes toe te [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] plaatst kanttekeningen qua spelling, en is kritisch over enkele ‘advocacy’-formuleringen, maar de overdrijving van het stuk Nederland onder zeeniveau die Vrij Nederland onthulde corrigeert hij niet. Terwijl hij in de zelfde alinea wel vraagt om 2 woordjes toe te [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mandolinjon</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-220448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mandolinjon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT
I have just read the post from Bishop Hill called “Caspar and Jesus”. I want to thank you for what can only be called a heroic effort to find out the truth about the Hockey Stick. The post revealed the events that comprised the battles to evaluate the works of Mann and A&amp;W. You have shown that the BLOG sphere has the power to ferret out the truth when the MSM and “reputable professional journals” use the position to control publications for a political agenda. I remember a professor I had in graduate school at John Carroll University told us a story about the time that he was threatened with arrest by the FBI for revealing climate data on how the Japanese were able to attack Pearl Harbor by using the known weather conditions that existed in December. He was able to avoid arrest by the FBI by pointing out that the weather conditions were documented in the open scientific literature contained in Brazilian journal in meteorology. This story highlights the danger of science becoming and instrument of politicians which almost happened to the world except for your efforts and other skeptics to find the truth. Someday, when we come to a real understanding of what causes climate changes they look back at your efforts really “saved the planet”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT<br />
I have just read the post from Bishop Hill called “Caspar and Jesus”. I want to thank you for what can only be called a heroic effort to find out the truth about the Hockey Stick. The post revealed the events that comprised the battles to evaluate the works of Mann and A&amp;W. You have shown that the BLOG sphere has the power to ferret out the truth when the MSM and “reputable professional journals” use the position to control publications for a political agenda. I remember a professor I had in graduate school at John Carroll University told us a story about the time that he was threatened with arrest by the FBI for revealing climate data on how the Japanese were able to attack Pearl Harbor by using the known weather conditions that existed in December. He was able to avoid arrest by the FBI by pointing out that the weather conditions were documented in the open scientific literature contained in Brazilian journal in meteorology. This story highlights the danger of science becoming and instrument of politicians which almost happened to the world except for your efforts and other skeptics to find the truth. Someday, when we come to a real understanding of what causes climate changes they look back at your efforts really “saved the planet”</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-220094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-219966&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;anja (Feb 5 20:28)&lt;/a&gt;, 
A &quot;silly mistake&quot;, granted. However, the foundational issues of lack of independent peer review and poor quality control result in biased presentation and numerous errors. Consequently IPCC results cannot be relied on as objective and accurate without major review. e.g. see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nipccreport.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate Change Reconsidered&lt;/a&gt; 2009, for science ignored by the IPCC and published subsequent to 2007.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-219966" rel="nofollow">anja (Feb 5 20:28)</a>,<br />
A &#8220;silly mistake&#8221;, granted. However, the foundational issues of lack of independent peer review and poor quality control result in biased presentation and numerous errors. Consequently IPCC results cannot be relied on as objective and accurate without major review. e.g. see <a href="http://www.nipccreport.org" rel="nofollow">Climate Change Reconsidered</a> 2009, for science ignored by the IPCC and published subsequent to 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-220092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Höök, et al. (2010) report on other extreme IPCC exaggerations in the Special Report on Emission Scenarios (SRES):
&lt;blockquote&gt;It is found that the SRES unnecessarily takes an overoptimistic stance and that future production expectations are leaning towards spectacular increases from present output levels. In summary, we can only encourage the IPCC to involve more resource experts and natural science in future emission scenarios. The current set, SRES, is biased toward exaggerated resource availability and unrealistic expectations on future production outputs from fossil fuels. . . . . . . The huge global estimates of hydrate methane are suspicious at best, and have nothing to do with the likelihood that hydrates will provide energy supply assurance for the future.. . . Just as its withdrawn preceding report from 1992 (Gray, 1998), the future energy production projections for fossil in SRES (2000) are exaggerated and so are the resulting emissions. . . . &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tsl.uu.se/uhdsg/Publications/IPCC_article.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Validity of the fossil fuel production outlooks in the IPCC Emission Scenarios&lt;/a&gt;
Mikael Höök, Anders Sivertsson, and Kjell Aleklett, Natural Resources Research (in press).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Höök, et al. (2010) report on other extreme IPCC exaggerations in the Special Report on Emission Scenarios (SRES):</p>
<blockquote><p>It is found that the SRES unnecessarily takes an overoptimistic stance and that future production expectations are leaning towards spectacular increases from present output levels. In summary, we can only encourage the IPCC to involve more resource experts and natural science in future emission scenarios. The current set, SRES, is biased toward exaggerated resource availability and unrealistic expectations on future production outputs from fossil fuels. . . . . . . The huge global estimates of hydrate methane are suspicious at best, and have nothing to do with the likelihood that hydrates will provide energy supply assurance for the future.. . . Just as its withdrawn preceding report from 1992 (Gray, 1998), the future energy production projections for fossil in SRES (2000) are exaggerated and so are the resulting emissions. . . . </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.tsl.uu.se/uhdsg/Publications/IPCC_article.pdf" rel="nofollow">Validity of the fossil fuel production outlooks in the IPCC Emission Scenarios</a><br />
Mikael Höök, Anders Sivertsson, and Kjell Aleklett, Natural Resources Research (in press).</p>
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		<title>By: FM newswire for 6 February, articles for your morning reading &#171; Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-220090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FM newswire for 6 February, articles for your morning reading &#171; Fabius Maximus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] peer-reviewed science:  &#8220;Latest IPCC Exaggeration&#8220;, Steve McIntyre, Climate Audit, 3 February 2010: IPCC AR4 reported: &#8220;The Netherlands [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] peer-reviewed science:  &#8220;Latest IPCC Exaggeration&#8220;, Steve McIntyre, Climate Audit, 3 February 2010: IPCC AR4 reported: &#8220;The Netherlands [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anja</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s best not to see a conspiracy behind every bush, I think.

This is a silly mistake, presumably caused by an editor trying to condense a section the Dutch contribution which was meant as background info.

This is a (rough) translation of the relevant part of an article from the Volkskrant, a Dutch newspaper:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1345754.ece/Uithaal_Cramer_schokt_onderzoekers

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Maarten Hajer, director of the Planbureau voor de Leefomgeving, a scientific bureau which resorts under Cramer&#039;s Ministry, is responsible for this error. Hajer said: ‘We are independent. This text was sent directly to the leading author of the IPCC, not via the Ministry.’ 

According to him, this (error) was not intentional. &#039;This is a simple descriptive paragraph, not important scientific work.’ It should have read that 26% of the Netherlands lies beneath sea level and that another 29% is threatened by flooding from rivers.  Together, 55%.

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This happens all the time when various contributions are condensed into one report. Somewhat sloppy editorial work, granted, but imo not enough to start crying that the sky is falling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s best not to see a conspiracy behind every bush, I think.</p>
<p>This is a silly mistake, presumably caused by an editor trying to condense a section the Dutch contribution which was meant as background info.</p>
<p>This is a (rough) translation of the relevant part of an article from the Volkskrant, a Dutch newspaper:<br />
<a href="http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1345754.ece/Uithaal_Cramer_schokt_onderzoekers" rel="nofollow">http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1345754.ece/Uithaal_Cramer_schokt_onderzoekers</a></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Maarten Hajer, director of the Planbureau voor de Leefomgeving, a scientific bureau which resorts under Cramer&#8217;s Ministry, is responsible for this error. Hajer said: ‘We are independent. This text was sent directly to the leading author of the IPCC, not via the Ministry.’ </p>
<p>According to him, this (error) was not intentional. &#8216;This is a simple descriptive paragraph, not important scientific work.’ It should have read that 26% of the Netherlands lies beneath sea level and that another 29% is threatened by flooding from rivers.  Together, 55%.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>This happens all the time when various contributions are condensed into one report. Somewhat sloppy editorial work, granted, but imo not enough to start crying that the sky is falling.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-219834</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Indian government announced it was forming its own climate panel, since they consider the IPCC discredited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indian government announced it was forming its own climate panel, since they consider the IPCC discredited.</p>
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		<title>By: Maman Ouest</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-219735</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maman Ouest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jan F,

Thank You! :) 

This is a great description of Dutch Ingenuity and Innovation, and of Adaption to their changing environment.  Brilliant! 

Why is it, that with so, so many successful examples, from countries such as  The Netherlands, Bangladesh and others, all around the world, we have to have the fear and the panic of the IPCC, Media et al?? 

With the attitude of the IPCC we could never land Man on Mars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan F,</p>
<p>Thank You! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>This is a great description of Dutch Ingenuity and Innovation, and of Adaption to their changing environment.  Brilliant! </p>
<p>Why is it, that with so, so many successful examples, from countries such as  The Netherlands, Bangladesh and others, all around the world, we have to have the fear and the panic of the IPCC, Media et al?? </p>
<p>With the attitude of the IPCC we could never land Man on Mars.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-219709</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this claim: &quot;Half of the country [Netherlands] lies below 1 meter above sea level, with an eighth of the country lying below sea level.&quot;. [http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/dutch-sea.htm]

It might account for the IPCC error. If the regions within 1 meter of sea level are considered vulnerable then the numbers used in the IPCC would report make sense and the error not so serious. It is still an error and should be corrected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this claim: &#8220;Half of the country [Netherlands] lies below 1 meter above sea level, with an eighth of the country lying below sea level.&#8221;. [http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/dutch-sea.htm]</p>
<p>It might account for the IPCC error. If the regions within 1 meter of sea level are considered vulnerable then the numbers used in the IPCC would report make sense and the error not so serious. It is still an error and should be corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Research News &#187; Dikegate: The Latest IPCC Exaggeration</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/03/latest-ipcc-exaggeration/#comment-219660</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climate Research News &#187; Dikegate: The Latest IPCC Exaggeration]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] McIntyre of Climate Audit has noted that IPCC AR4 [...]]]></description>
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