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		<title>By: TWAWKI &#187; The Cost of Climate Alarmism and absence of due diligence</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-227210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TWAWKI &#187; The Cost of Climate Alarmism and absence of due diligence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] an inexact science, As the climate debate heats up the populace realise they&#8217;ve been conned, Police still trying to work out how to turn the computer on, India to form new climate change [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an inexact science, As the climate debate heats up the populace realise they&#8217;ve been conned, Police still trying to work out how to turn the computer on, India to form new climate change [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jimchip</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-222443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimchip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222430&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Martin (Feb 17 17:19)&lt;/a&gt;, 

Gavin and Mann... Jailhouse Lawyers. Maybe they had legal coaching but GS should stick to modeling or whatever he does for NASA and leave the legal opinions to someone who knows. Or, start a separate blog:
Gavin Schmidt&#039;s Official NASA Supported Blog Guide to Climate Legality. 

And, regarding his other comment re: &quot;Whistleblowing only works if you are revealing illegal activity&quot;...Uh, Gavin, they found illegal activity but it was past the deadline to prosecute.

&quot;This is now OT. - gavin]&quot; Hahrumph!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-222430" rel="nofollow">Martin (Feb 17 17:19)</a>, </p>
<p>Gavin and Mann&#8230; Jailhouse Lawyers. Maybe they had legal coaching but GS should stick to modeling or whatever he does for NASA and leave the legal opinions to someone who knows. Or, start a separate blog:<br />
Gavin Schmidt&#8217;s Official NASA Supported Blog Guide to Climate Legality. </p>
<p>And, regarding his other comment re: &#8220;Whistleblowing only works if you are revealing illegal activity&#8221;&#8230;Uh, Gavin, they found illegal activity but it was past the deadline to prosecute.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is now OT. &#8211; gavin]&#8221; Hahrumph!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-222441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222435&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Martin (Feb 17 17:46)&lt;/a&gt;, 

Too bad he declared it off topic before you pointed out that failing to live up to ones responsibilities under FOI (or FOIA) is illegal activity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-222435" rel="nofollow">Martin (Feb 17 17:46)</a>, </p>
<p>Too bad he declared it off topic before you pointed out that failing to live up to ones responsibilities under FOI (or FOIA) is illegal activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-222435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More here if interested:

215.Also remember that in the UK there is legislation that protects whistleblowers. Would you call someone in the UK who leaks information from a file in an office (whether private or public) a thief – if it is in the public interest? You are on shaky ground Gavin and should stick to the science and keep away from UK laws and interpretations thereof.

[Response: Sorry, but I will continue to call a theft a theft, and you can continue to cling to the comforting thought that the theft was by a modern day Robin Hood. Whistleblowing only works if you are revealing illegal activity. Arguments about paleo-reconstructions don&#039;t count. This is now OT. - gavin]


http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=2806]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More here if interested:</p>
<p>215.Also remember that in the UK there is legislation that protects whistleblowers. Would you call someone in the UK who leaks information from a file in an office (whether private or public) a thief – if it is in the public interest? You are on shaky ground Gavin and should stick to the science and keep away from UK laws and interpretations thereof.</p>
<p>[Response: Sorry, but I will continue to call a theft a theft, and you can continue to cling to the comforting thought that the theft was by a modern day Robin Hood. Whistleblowing only works if you are revealing illegal activity. Arguments about paleo-reconstructions don't count. This is now OT. - gavin]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=2806" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=2806</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-222430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post from Gavin in reply to the definition of &quot;hacked&quot;. Evidentally it&#039;s still hacking if you get the info from an &quot;office mates&quot; computer:

212 # 15
[Response: Someone who thinks that GW is a hoax is a crank. And stealing people&#039;s emails from a central server and publishing them is a hack regardless of where you do it from....]

Gavin, are you sure you are on solid ground here? Are you sure about UK laws, public and private servers, privacy laws? I don’t know much but you should check carefully first before making such a sweeping pronouncement about email and data ownership, hacking and leaking.

[Response: You think it is legal in any western democracy to hack into your officemate&#039;s computer and put their emails on a public server? No way Jose. Unauthorized access to a computer and unauthorised use of any data you find there is a crime almost everywhere. - gavin]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post from Gavin in reply to the definition of &#8220;hacked&#8221;. Evidentally it&#8217;s still hacking if you get the info from an &#8220;office mates&#8221; computer:</p>
<p>212 # 15<br />
[Response: Someone who thinks that GW is a hoax is a crank. And stealing people's emails from a central server and publishing them is a hack regardless of where you do it from....]</p>
<p>Gavin, are you sure you are on solid ground here? Are you sure about UK laws, public and private servers, privacy laws? I don’t know much but you should check carefully first before making such a sweeping pronouncement about email and data ownership, hacking and leaking.</p>
<p>[Response: You think it is legal in any western democracy to hack into your officemate's computer and put their emails on a public server? No way Jose. Unauthorized access to a computer and unauthorised use of any data you find there is a crime almost everywhere. - gavin]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Fordyce</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-221629</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Fordyce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-220758&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ErnieK (Feb 10 00:45)&lt;/a&gt;, 


All things begin with Yamal.

-FOIA/documents/yamal/-

Have you discovered the &lt;em&gt;clue&lt;/em&gt;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-220758" rel="nofollow">ErnieK (Feb 10 00:45)</a>, </p>
<p>All things begin with Yamal.</p>
<p>-FOIA/documents/yamal/-</p>
<p>Have you discovered the <em>clue</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: Duke C.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-220894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duke C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg and ErnieK, thanks.
 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XD050VKY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;foi2009.zip at Megaupload.com&lt;/a&gt; is identical to the original FTP Russian server version found at tomcity.ru which is no longer available.

From any other source, verify the checksum:

da2e1d6c453e0643e05e90c681eb1df4 FOI2009.zip

Now, it&#039;s time to draft an FOIA request letter to NASA and get the Gavin Schimdt version released.

Whom should I address it to?  Hansen? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg and ErnieK, thanks.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XD050VKY" rel="nofollow">foi2009.zip at Megaupload.com</a> is identical to the original FTP Russian server version found at tomcity.ru which is no longer available.</p>
<p>From any other source, verify the checksum:</p>
<p>da2e1d6c453e0643e05e90c681eb1df4 FOI2009.zip</p>
<p>Now, it&#8217;s time to draft an FOIA request letter to NASA and get the Gavin Schimdt version released.</p>
<p>Whom should I address it to?  Hansen? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ErnieK</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-220850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ErnieK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-220837&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Duke C. (Feb 10 13:40)&lt;/a&gt;, Thanks Duke,  the file I have been using matches your MD5 checksum.  I agree it would be nice if the file Mosher has on the CD also matches.  The $64 question it does the file that Gavin has, the original upload to RC, also match - how about it Gavin, want to share?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-220837" rel="nofollow">Duke C. (Feb 10 13:40)</a>, Thanks Duke,  the file I have been using matches your MD5 checksum.  I agree it would be nice if the file Mosher has on the CD also matches.  The $64 question it does the file that Gavin has, the original upload to RC, also match &#8211; how about it Gavin, want to share?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg F</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-220847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duke,

The checksum from my copy matches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duke,</p>
<p>The checksum from my copy matches.</p>
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		<title>By: Duke C.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/05/guardian-and-ctm/#comment-220837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duke C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;(Apologies in advance for the duplicate post. had to remove links to bypass moderation)&lt;/em&gt;

Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-220751&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greg F (Feb 9 23:13)&lt;/a&gt;, 
Greg F,
Do you have a way of verifying the MD5 checksum on your russian server copy?

It SHOULD match this:

da2e1d6c453e0643e05e90c681eb1df4 FOI2009.zip

I think there is some historical significance in establishing an online source wrt the genealogy/provenance of the original data source(s),which are rapidly disappearing amongst an ocean of clone files. IMO, CA is the proper venue for doing this.

Partially verified Genealogy thus far-

11/17/09 6:20AM EST-
The Gavin Schmidt original FOIA.ZIP is born (Jimchip has a copy?)

November 17, 2009 at 9:57 pm- 
An FOIA.ZIP offspring appears at the Air Vent:
tomcity.ru FOI2009.zip (you have a copy)

November 20, 2009 at 12:59 am-
Link to another offspring source posted at the Air Vent:
megaupload=XD050VKY
If the MD5 checksums match, it&#039;s an identical twin to the Russian server version

Any versions appearing after 11/20/2009 are irrelevant.

  If we catch Mosher in a generous mood, perhaps he&#039;ll loosen his grip on that WUWT CD-rom copy.

How about it, Mosher? Just puttin&#039; it out there... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>(Apologies in advance for the duplicate post. had to remove links to bypass moderation)</em></p>
<p>Re: <a href="#comment-220751" rel="nofollow">Greg F (Feb 9 23:13)</a>,<br />
Greg F,<br />
Do you have a way of verifying the MD5 checksum on your russian server copy?</p>
<p>It SHOULD match this:</p>
<p>da2e1d6c453e0643e05e90c681eb1df4 FOI2009.zip</p>
<p>I think there is some historical significance in establishing an online source wrt the genealogy/provenance of the original data source(s),which are rapidly disappearing amongst an ocean of clone files. IMO, CA is the proper venue for doing this.</p>
<p>Partially verified Genealogy thus far-</p>
<p>11/17/09 6:20AM EST-<br />
The Gavin Schmidt original FOIA.ZIP is born (Jimchip has a copy?)</p>
<p>November 17, 2009 at 9:57 pm-<br />
An FOIA.ZIP offspring appears at the Air Vent:<br />
tomcity.ru FOI2009.zip (you have a copy)</p>
<p>November 20, 2009 at 12:59 am-<br />
Link to another offspring source posted at the Air Vent:<br />
megaupload=XD050VKY<br />
If the MD5 checksums match, it&#8217;s an identical twin to the Russian server version</p>
<p>Any versions appearing after 11/20/2009 are irrelevant.</p>
<p>  If we catch Mosher in a generous mood, perhaps he&#8217;ll loosen his grip on that WUWT CD-rom copy.</p>
<p>How about it, Mosher? Just puttin&#8217; it out there&#8230; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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