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		<title>By: Vincent Gray</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-234078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 01:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jones has given the game away, yrt they are still claimimg validity for his useless temperature anomaly record. When will it be &quot;corrected&quot; and by whom? Jones et al are no longer Lead Authors for the IPCC. What will the new boys do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jones has given the game away, yrt they are still claimimg validity for his useless temperature anomaly record. When will it be &#8220;corrected&#8221; and by whom? Jones et al are no longer Lead Authors for the IPCC. What will the new boys do?</p>
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		<title>By: VS</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-224908</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh dear, I missed this blooper the first time reading:

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BBC - Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming

Phil Jones - Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level.

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95% significance level... that&#039;s REALLY not significant, is it?...  hahahha ha ha

[OK, for the non-statistics-nerds here, it&#039;s either a 5% significance level, or the value 0 is an element of the 95% confidence interval of the trend variable&#039;s coefficient estimate... Phil Jones made a 1st year student&#039;s mistake]

ha...ha.. eh.. it&#039;s funny... oh dammit, it is!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, I missed this blooper the first time reading:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>BBC &#8211; Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming</p>
<p>Phil Jones &#8211; Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>95% significance level&#8230; that&#8217;s REALLY not significant, is it?&#8230;  hahahha ha ha</p>
<p>[OK, for the non-statistics-nerds here, it's either a 5% significance level, or the value 0 is an element of the 95% confidence interval of the trend variable's coefficient estimate... Phil Jones made a 1st year student's mistake]</p>
<p>ha&#8230;ha.. eh.. it&#8217;s funny&#8230; oh dammit, it is!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric L</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-222730</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see you haven&#039;t put a post on Phil Jones&#039; comment on needing 15+ years to get a statistically significant trend.  Of course, I know that&#039;s because its not a story, but clearly a lot of people don&#039;t know that because they think not statistically significant means the trend stopped (see Daily Mail article and all the blog references).  You seem to be one of the most widely climate science bloggers from the not-so-pro-AGW camp and you have a good understanding of statistics, maybe you do everyone a service and write a post explaining the matter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you haven&#8217;t put a post on Phil Jones&#8217; comment on needing 15+ years to get a statistically significant trend.  Of course, I know that&#8217;s because its not a story, but clearly a lot of people don&#8217;t know that because they think not statistically significant means the trend stopped (see Daily Mail article and all the blog references).  You seem to be one of the most widely climate science bloggers from the not-so-pro-AGW camp and you have a good understanding of statistics, maybe you do everyone a service and write a post explaining the matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-222189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Lloyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that there is an even simpler explanation than the thoughtful ones above.

The IPCC is not a scientific organisation.  It is a PR organisation specifically set up to generate support for AGW.  Those whose job it is to provide it with data therefore have that goal constantly in view.  

Furthermore, the British group of UK-government funded organisations, like UEA, the Met. Office, the Hadley Centre, the Grantham Institute and other Universities, have an equally over-arching but limiting scope, since their Government funding for climate research depends wholly on the provision of data supporting AGW.

When this is your job, any data not supporting your reason for existence (and respect in the scientific community) is not valid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that there is an even simpler explanation than the thoughtful ones above.</p>
<p>The IPCC is not a scientific organisation.  It is a PR organisation specifically set up to generate support for AGW.  Those whose job it is to provide it with data therefore have that goal constantly in view.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, the British group of UK-government funded organisations, like UEA, the Met. Office, the Hadley Centre, the Grantham Institute and other Universities, have an equally over-arching but limiting scope, since their Government funding for climate research depends wholly on the provision of data supporting AGW.</p>
<p>When this is your job, any data not supporting your reason for existence (and respect in the scientific community) is not valid.</p>
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		<title>By: handaxe</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-222024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[handaxe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jones in Nature:

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/012345/full/news.2010.71.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jones in Nature:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2010/012345/full/news.2010.71.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/2010/012345/full/news.2010.71.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: gimply</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-221801</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT</p>
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		<title>By: WA777</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-221797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WA777]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-221381&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stuck-record (Feb 13 04:06)&lt;/a&gt;, 

From the guy that wrote a book on it:

Sunstein, Cass R. “Throwing precaution to the wind: Why the &#039;safe&#039; choice can be dangerous.” boston.com - The Boston Globe, July 13, 2008. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/07/13/throwing_precaution_to_the_wind&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LinkText Here&lt;/a&gt;

Excerpts quoted:
Main point: &quot;Yet the &lt;strong&gt;precautionary principle&lt;/strong&gt;, for all its rhetorical appeal, is &lt;strong&gt;deeply incoherent&lt;/strong&gt;. It is of course true that we should take precautions against some speculative dangers. But there are always risks on both sides of a decision; inaction can bring danger, but so can action. Precautions, in other words, themselves create risks - and hence the principle bans what it simultaneously requires.&quot;
...
&quot;In the context of climate change, precautions are certainly a good idea. But what kinds of precautions? A high tax on carbon emissions would impose real risks - including increased hardship for people who can least afford it and very possibly increases in unemployment and hence poverty. A sensible climate change policy balances the costs and benefits of emissions reductions. If the policy includes costly (and hence risk-creating) precautions, it is because those precautions are justified by their benefits.
...
&quot;The nations of the world should take precautions, certainly. &lt;strong&gt;But they should not adopt the precautionary principle.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-221381" rel="nofollow">stuck-record (Feb 13 04:06)</a>, </p>
<p>From the guy that wrote a book on it:</p>
<p>Sunstein, Cass R. “Throwing precaution to the wind: Why the &#8216;safe&#8217; choice can be dangerous.” boston.com &#8211; The Boston Globe, July 13, 2008. <a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/07/13/throwing_precaution_to_the_wind" rel="nofollow">LinkText Here</a></p>
<p>Excerpts quoted:<br />
Main point: &#8220;Yet the <strong>precautionary principle</strong>, for all its rhetorical appeal, is <strong>deeply incoherent</strong>. It is of course true that we should take precautions against some speculative dangers. But there are always risks on both sides of a decision; inaction can bring danger, but so can action. Precautions, in other words, themselves create risks &#8211; and hence the principle bans what it simultaneously requires.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;<br />
&#8220;In the context of climate change, precautions are certainly a good idea. But what kinds of precautions? A high tax on carbon emissions would impose real risks &#8211; including increased hardship for people who can least afford it and very possibly increases in unemployment and hence poverty. A sensible climate change policy balances the costs and benefits of emissions reductions. If the policy includes costly (and hence risk-creating) precautions, it is because those precautions are justified by their benefits.<br />
&#8230;<br />
&#8220;The nations of the world should take precautions, certainly. <strong>But they should not adopt the precautionary principle.</strong>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: justbeau</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-221790</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justbeau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am trying to become less cynical and admit more compassion for Phil Jones. For the longest time, climate studies must have been an unimportant, minor field. Then it became a center of attention, with massive expectations and pressures. This cannot be easy for anyone, whoever was at the University of East Anglia.  
It seems like Climategate and stepping aside has helped Phil Jones to take stock of the bigger picture, and realize he himself harbors more doubts than get reported by the IPCC. That seems a healthy, brave admission. I wish him well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to become less cynical and admit more compassion for Phil Jones. For the longest time, climate studies must have been an unimportant, minor field. Then it became a center of attention, with massive expectations and pressures. This cannot be easy for anyone, whoever was at the University of East Anglia.<br />
It seems like Climategate and stepping aside has helped Phil Jones to take stock of the bigger picture, and realize he himself harbors more doubts than get reported by the IPCC. That seems a healthy, brave admission. I wish him well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimchip</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-221781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimchip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-221324&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oneuniverse (Feb 12 21:36)&lt;/a&gt;, 

Nah, there&#039;s a ton of other bogus papers on top of that mere four-pager. &quot;Statistically insignificant&quot; :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-221324" rel="nofollow">oneuniverse (Feb 12 21:36)</a>, </p>
<p>Nah, there&#8217;s a ton of other bogus papers on top of that mere four-pager. &#8220;Statistically insignificant&#8221; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jimchip</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/12/phil-jones-interview/#comment-221778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimchip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-221330&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Craig Loehle (Feb 12 22:05)&lt;/a&gt;, 

There was/is discussion of moving from the term Holocene to Anthropocene. That may have something to do with it. Teamocene might be a better term for what the are studying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-221330" rel="nofollow">Craig Loehle (Feb 12 22:05)</a>, </p>
<p>There was/is discussion of moving from the term Holocene to Anthropocene. That may have something to do with it. Teamocene might be a better term for what the are studying.</p>
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