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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Hugh Roper</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugh Roper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great stuff, Steve.  Keep it up.  Nail Boulton. Hugh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, Steve.  Keep it up.  Nail Boulton. Hugh</p>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Small typo. &quot;Nothing good has been said about it since.&quot; should read &quot;I have said nothing good about it since.&quot; Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small typo. &#8220;Nothing good has been said about it since.&#8221; should read &#8220;I have said nothing good about it since.&#8221; Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: johnh</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222145</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here we have some comments from the last major project Mr Muir was involved in, the building of the New Scottish Parliment Building.

The Accounting Officer and Permanent Secretary, Muir Russell, was semi-detached
from the process.

Tory peer Lord Fraser said there was no single &quot;villain of the piece&quot; when it came to the problems which plagued the building of the Scottish Parliament. 
Announcing his findings, the inquiry head said it still astonished him that ministers were kept in the dark over cost increases. 

He cleared the late First Minister Donald Dewar of misleading MSPs. 

However, he named Sir Muir Russell, former head of the Scottish civil service, as a man with responsibility. 


He said: &quot;Clearly the top man was Sir Muir Russell - there was a number of very sharp criticisms made of him in the Scottish Parliament, and I respectfully adopt their recommendations.&quot; 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/scotland/3656166.stm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we have some comments from the last major project Mr Muir was involved in, the building of the New Scottish Parliment Building.</p>
<p>The Accounting Officer and Permanent Secretary, Muir Russell, was semi-detached<br />
from the process.</p>
<p>Tory peer Lord Fraser said there was no single &#8220;villain of the piece&#8221; when it came to the problems which plagued the building of the Scottish Parliament.<br />
Announcing his findings, the inquiry head said it still astonished him that ministers were kept in the dark over cost increases. </p>
<p>He cleared the late First Minister Donald Dewar of misleading MSPs. </p>
<p>However, he named Sir Muir Russell, former head of the Scottish civil service, as a man with responsibility. </p>
<p>He said: &#8220;Clearly the top man was Sir Muir Russell &#8211; there was a number of very sharp criticisms made of him in the Scottish Parliament, and I respectfully adopt their recommendations.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/scotland/3656166.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/scotland/3656166.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jimchip</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimchip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Coincidences&#039; deserve timelines. Based on recent events &#039;cuz I&#039;m not going too far back at all:
 
Starting at CA, Royal Society of Edinburgh, Oct 29, 2009. Then we have that The Muir-Russell inquiry is formed on Dec. 3, 2010. Next, we have the RSE (Boulton, General Secretary,) &quot;has launched its next major inquiry, Facing up to Climate Change...&quot; on January 10, 2010. The UK Parliamentary Inquiry into CRU is announced on Jan. 22. Last update on the evidence page for &quot;Facing up to Climate Change&quot; is Jan. 29. The schools competition page last updated on Feb. 8. Last day for the UK PI is Feb. 10. On Feb. 11 the current inquiry is announced at UEA and at cce-review.org/. The deadline for CCE submissions is Mar. 1, 2010. &quot;The Review hopes to have submit preliminary conclusions to UEA in Spring 2010.&quot; The deadline to submissions to RSE Facing up to Climate Change is May 1. The deadline for the schools competition is June, 2010.

Of course, all inquiries, competitions, etc. are claimed to be completely independent. The shills in the shell game also pretend to be independent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Coincidences&#8217; deserve timelines. Based on recent events &#8216;cuz I&#8217;m not going too far back at all:</p>
<p>Starting at CA, Royal Society of Edinburgh, Oct 29, 2009. Then we have that The Muir-Russell inquiry is formed on Dec. 3, 2010. Next, we have the RSE (Boulton, General Secretary,) &#8220;has launched its next major inquiry, Facing up to Climate Change&#8230;&#8221; on January 10, 2010. The UK Parliamentary Inquiry into CRU is announced on Jan. 22. Last update on the evidence page for &#8220;Facing up to Climate Change&#8221; is Jan. 29. The schools competition page last updated on Feb. 8. Last day for the UK PI is Feb. 10. On Feb. 11 the current inquiry is announced at UEA and at cce-review.org/. The deadline for CCE submissions is Mar. 1, 2010. &#8220;The Review hopes to have submit preliminary conclusions to UEA in Spring 2010.&#8221; The deadline to submissions to RSE Facing up to Climate Change is May 1. The deadline for the schools competition is June, 2010.</p>
<p>Of course, all inquiries, competitions, etc. are claimed to be completely independent. The shills in the shell game also pretend to be independent.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Hargreaves</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brent Hargreaves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PaulM Feb 16 07:00: Thanks for clearing up the submission deadlines.
My letter, which is now in the post, will therefore fall on stony ground. I wrote:
Dear Sirs,
It would appear that a member of your Review Team, Professor Boulton, is a former employee of the University of East Anglia, and hence fails to meet the criterion of independence.
Professor Boulton is on record as an advocate of the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming and a former colleague of addressees of the emails under investigation. I submit that his predetermined views disqualify him from sitting on the enquiry.
Yours etc,


&lt;strong&gt;Steve&lt;/strong&gt;:  In this sort of letter, it is important to connect these points to the representations by the inquiry.  &lt;strong&gt;The Inquiry claimed &lt;/strong&gt; that they selected people because they had no predetermined views - presumably because they had believed this to be important. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulM Feb 16 07:00: Thanks for clearing up the submission deadlines.<br />
My letter, which is now in the post, will therefore fall on stony ground. I wrote:<br />
Dear Sirs,<br />
It would appear that a member of your Review Team, Professor Boulton, is a former employee of the University of East Anglia, and hence fails to meet the criterion of independence.<br />
Professor Boulton is on record as an advocate of the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming and a former colleague of addressees of the emails under investigation. I submit that his predetermined views disqualify him from sitting on the enquiry.<br />
Yours etc,</p>
<p><strong>Steve</strong>:  In this sort of letter, it is important to connect these points to the representations by the inquiry.  <strong>The Inquiry claimed </strong> that they selected people because they had no predetermined views &#8211; presumably because they had believed this to be important. </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222091&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Silver (Feb 16 07:30)&lt;/a&gt;, 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Did he write the infamous part about the Himalayan glaciers in the IPCC report?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, but if you find the right glacier and look at the face of it at just the right angle, you&#039;ll see deep within it a holographic picture of Geoffrey Boulton.  Coincidentally, just before this picture is melted out, the Earth will be destroyed via global warming to make room for a hyperspacial bypass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-222091" rel="nofollow">John Silver (Feb 16 07:30)</a>, </p>
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Did he write the infamous part about the Himalayan glaciers in the IPCC report?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, but if you find the right glacier and look at the face of it at just the right angle, you&#8217;ll see deep within it a holographic picture of Geoffrey Boulton.  Coincidentally, just before this picture is melted out, the Earth will be destroyed via global warming to make room for a hyperspacial bypass.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry B</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerry B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we are seeing here is a PR event.

Muir Russel would have had to expose the fact that
(1) the climategate emails and programming are true and valid copies
 (2) that Jones did defy FOI requests, and asked others to do so
(3) That they have been hiding the decline (or lack of recent warming)
(4) that there most probably was a significant Medieval Warm period
(5) that Jones has &#039;lost&#039; the original data and can&#039;t reproduce it...

etc etc etc.

This is now all out in the public domain : all that remains is for the inquiry to formally confirm it.

If on the other hand Jones hadn&#039;t admitted all this in advance his buddies would have had to expose him in a more formal way leading to possible criminal charges.


Don&#039;t expect anything new from the Inquiry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we are seeing here is a PR event.</p>
<p>Muir Russel would have had to expose the fact that<br />
(1) the climategate emails and programming are true and valid copies<br />
 (2) that Jones did defy FOI requests, and asked others to do so<br />
(3) That they have been hiding the decline (or lack of recent warming)<br />
(4) that there most probably was a significant Medieval Warm period<br />
(5) that Jones has &#8216;lost&#8217; the original data and can&#8217;t reproduce it&#8230;</p>
<p>etc etc etc.</p>
<p>This is now all out in the public domain : all that remains is for the inquiry to formally confirm it.</p>
<p>If on the other hand Jones hadn&#8217;t admitted all this in advance his buddies would have had to expose him in a more formal way leading to possible criminal charges.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t expect anything new from the Inquiry.</p>
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		<title>By: John Silver</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Silver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of Boultons Research Interests is: &quot;the future evolution of glacier cover in the Himalayas&quot;.

http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/people/person.html?indv=437

Did he write the infamous part about the Himalayan glaciers in the IPCC report?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of Boultons Research Interests is: &#8220;the future evolution of glacier cover in the Himalayas&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/people/person.html?indv=437" rel="nofollow">http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/people/person.html?indv=437</a></p>
<p>Did he write the infamous part about the Himalayan glaciers in the IPCC report?</p>
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		<title>By: PaulM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PaulM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-221946&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brent Hargreaves (Feb 15 16:57)&lt;/a&gt;, 
No, there are two issues, you&#039;ve missed Steve&#039;s point. 
First there was the request for comments on &quot;the terms of reference and scope of the Independent Review&quot; that had to be in by Feb 10. 
Then on Feb 11th the terms of reference were established, and submissions to the &#039;Independent&#039; Review were invited with a deadline of 1 March. 
These submissions must be within the remit - so complaints about the conflict of interest of a panel member can be ignored!
If anyone is considering making a submission, please read the instructions at the website http://www.cce-review.org/ very carefully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-221946" rel="nofollow">Brent Hargreaves (Feb 15 16:57)</a>,<br />
No, there are two issues, you&#8217;ve missed Steve&#8217;s point.<br />
First there was the request for comments on &#8220;the terms of reference and scope of the Independent Review&#8221; that had to be in by Feb 10.<br />
Then on Feb 11th the terms of reference were established, and submissions to the &#8216;Independent&#8217; Review were invited with a deadline of 1 March.<br />
These submissions must be within the remit &#8211; so complaints about the conflict of interest of a panel member can be ignored!<br />
If anyone is considering making a submission, please read the instructions at the website <a href="http://www.cce-review.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cce-review.org/</a> very carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: geronimo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/a-coincidence/#comment-222075</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geronimo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take a look at the Wiki profile of Sir Muir Russell. He &quot;retired&quot; from the Civil Service in 1993 after 5 years at the Scottish Office where he oversaw the £360million overspend on the Scottish Parliament.

He appears to have gone through public life with a significant achievement, it doesn&#039;t look good for a fair inquiry, if it was the people who were &quot;hounding&quot; the CRU would be called to give evidence.

On the question of the FOIs, I&#039;ve checked the records, there were a total of 105 from Jan 2005 until December 2009, five years they are distributed as follows:

4 in 2007

2 in 2008

99 in 2009:

58 were identical requests for the contracts the CRU held with various countries, each one had a list of different countries

26 appear to have come after the CRU emails were released.

15 others, I haven&#039;t been able to analyse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the Wiki profile of Sir Muir Russell. He &#8220;retired&#8221; from the Civil Service in 1993 after 5 years at the Scottish Office where he oversaw the £360million overspend on the Scottish Parliament.</p>
<p>He appears to have gone through public life with a significant achievement, it doesn&#8217;t look good for a fair inquiry, if it was the people who were &#8220;hounding&#8221; the CRU would be called to give evidence.</p>
<p>On the question of the FOIs, I&#8217;ve checked the records, there were a total of 105 from Jan 2005 until December 2009, five years they are distributed as follows:</p>
<p>4 in 2007</p>
<p>2 in 2008</p>
<p>99 in 2009:</p>
<p>58 were identical requests for the contracts the CRU held with various countries, each one had a list of different countries</p>
<p>26 appear to have come after the CRU emails were released.</p>
<p>15 others, I haven&#8217;t been able to analyse.</p>
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