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	<title>Comments on: Kerry Emanuel Boston Globe Opinion:  Climate Changes Are Proven Fact</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Kerry Emanuel Boston Globe Opinion: Climate Changes Are Proven Fact Dr. Kerry Emanuel from MIT wades into the climate change debate with an opinion piece in the Boston Globe.  Dr. [...] [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Kerry Emanuel Boston Globe Opinion: Climate Changes Are Proven Fact Dr. Kerry Emanuel from MIT wades into the climate change debate with an opinion piece in the Boston Globe.  Dr. [...] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/kerry-emanuel-boston-globe-opinion-climate-changes-are-proven-fact/#comment-222040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an editorial policy here that there&#039;s no point trying to prove/disprove AGW in three paragraphs. Every such discussion is the same.  Sorry about that.  

It&#039;s not that the issues aren&#039;t important - they are. But editorially I&#039;d rather approach it through smaller issues such as cloud feedback or something like that.

Also see Emanuel in MIT debate linked from &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/12/mit-climategate-debate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an editorial policy here that there&#8217;s no point trying to prove/disprove AGW in three paragraphs. Every such discussion is the same.  Sorry about that.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that the issues aren&#8217;t important &#8211; they are. But editorially I&#8217;d rather approach it through smaller issues such as cloud feedback or something like that.</p>
<p>Also see Emanuel in MIT debate linked from <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/12/mit-climategate-debate/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>
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		<title>By: Dane Skold</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/kerry-emanuel-boston-globe-opinion-climate-changes-are-proven-fact/#comment-222036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dane Skold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; And, in spite of all its complexity and uncertainties, we should not lose track of the simple fact that theory, actual observations of the planet, and complex models – however imperfect each is in isolation – all point to ongoing, potentially dangerous human alteration of climate.&quot;

This sentence made me laugh out loud.  It is the article of faith and abandonment of the scientific method.

&quot;...Actual observations of the planet...&quot;  There is no reliable observation of planetary temperature over any time span sufficient to determine a temperature trend to a degree of statistical certainty.  PERIOD.

Inferring global warming on the existing information is NOT SCIENCE regardless how much such as the good doctor wish it were so.

In law...if you have the facts, pound the facts.  If you have the law, pound the law.  If you have neither, pound the table.

There is much too much table pounding and too little raw data publication.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; And, in spite of all its complexity and uncertainties, we should not lose track of the simple fact that theory, actual observations of the planet, and complex models – however imperfect each is in isolation – all point to ongoing, potentially dangerous human alteration of climate.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sentence made me laugh out loud.  It is the article of faith and abandonment of the scientific method.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Actual observations of the planet&#8230;&#8221;  There is no reliable observation of planetary temperature over any time span sufficient to determine a temperature trend to a degree of statistical certainty.  PERIOD.</p>
<p>Inferring global warming on the existing information is NOT SCIENCE regardless how much such as the good doctor wish it were so.</p>
<p>In law&#8230;if you have the facts, pound the facts.  If you have the law, pound the law.  If you have neither, pound the table.</p>
<p>There is much too much table pounding and too little raw data publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Dun</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The exact relationship between the elements of scientific models and whatever true reality lies out there is not of major concern. ... It makes absolutely no difference whether or not an electron is ‘real&#039; when we apply the model of electrons flowing in an electronic circuit to design some high-tech device. Whatever the intrinsic reality, the model describes what we observe, and those observations are real enough.&quot; (Victor J. Stenger, God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist, Prometheus Books, 2007, p.229)

That, I suppose, is what American &quot;pragmatism&quot; (not Peirce&#039;s, by the way) has done to science: who cares about reality (truth) when all we need is a model that allows us to manufacture something that &quot;works&quot; (i.e., serves someone&#039;s purposes).  A high-tech device? No problem! A major public scare? No problem! Have model, will travel.

And yes, Kerry Emanuel is right: &quot;We do not have the luxury of waiting for scientific certainty, which will never come [since we stopped looking for it], nor does it do anyone any good to assassinate science, the messenger [since he&#039;s already been beaten to within an inch of his life].&quot;

But, after all is said and done: 1) ex falso (even if it is a model) sequitur quodlibet; 2) from truth only truth follows. That used to be the logic of science, when it was still the search for truth. It isn&#039;t the logic of the model builders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The exact relationship between the elements of scientific models and whatever true reality lies out there is not of major concern. &#8230; It makes absolutely no difference whether or not an electron is ‘real&#8217; when we apply the model of electrons flowing in an electronic circuit to design some high-tech device. Whatever the intrinsic reality, the model describes what we observe, and those observations are real enough.&#8221; (Victor J. Stenger, God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist, Prometheus Books, 2007, p.229)</p>
<p>That, I suppose, is what American &#8220;pragmatism&#8221; (not Peirce&#8217;s, by the way) has done to science: who cares about reality (truth) when all we need is a model that allows us to manufacture something that &#8220;works&#8221; (i.e., serves someone&#8217;s purposes).  A high-tech device? No problem! A major public scare? No problem! Have model, will travel.</p>
<p>And yes, Kerry Emanuel is right: &#8220;We do not have the luxury of waiting for scientific certainty, which will never come [since we stopped looking for it], nor does it do anyone any good to assassinate science, the messenger [since he's already been beaten to within an inch of his life].&#8221;</p>
<p>But, after all is said and done: 1) ex falso (even if it is a model) sequitur quodlibet; 2) from truth only truth follows. That used to be the logic of science, when it was still the search for truth. It isn&#8217;t the logic of the model builders.</p>
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		<title>By: An Inquirer</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/kerry-emanuel-boston-globe-opinion-climate-changes-are-proven-fact/#comment-222031</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[An Inquirer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No direct control over water vapor?  Perhaps your assertion is true over most of the earth&#039;s surface (i.e., oceans), but we have affected water vapor over Cities and agricultural land -- and I suspect (as the data has pointed out) that increased water vapor has affected local temperatures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No direct control over water vapor?  Perhaps your assertion is true over most of the earth&#8217;s surface (i.e., oceans), but we have affected water vapor over Cities and agricultural land &#8212; and I suspect (as the data has pointed out) that increased water vapor has affected local temperatures.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/kerry-emanuel-boston-globe-opinion-climate-changes-are-proven-fact/#comment-222023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich Horton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering Emanuel&#039;s own work on hurricanes seems to be designed to obfuscate rather than illuminate I have a hard time accepting advice from him.  His PDI (power dissipation index) measure which he attempted to use to show a AGW signal in the hurricane record, was dependent largely upon inadequacies in the time series data for its supposed explanatory power.  And, he had to know it.

Actually, I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://iconicmidwest.blogspot.com/2009/10/letters-ive-written-never-meaning-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wondered in the past&lt;/a&gt; if there was something outright duplicitous about Emanuel&#039;s 2005 Nature paper.

In any event, I&#039;ll wait for a more credible voice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering Emanuel&#8217;s own work on hurricanes seems to be designed to obfuscate rather than illuminate I have a hard time accepting advice from him.  His PDI (power dissipation index) measure which he attempted to use to show a AGW signal in the hurricane record, was dependent largely upon inadequacies in the time series data for its supposed explanatory power.  And, he had to know it.</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve <a href="http://iconicmidwest.blogspot.com/2009/10/letters-ive-written-never-meaning-to.html" rel="nofollow">wondered in the past</a> if there was something outright duplicitous about Emanuel&#8217;s 2005 Nature paper.</p>
<p>In any event, I&#8217;ll wait for a more credible voice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ausie Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ausie Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is very hard to take the article seriously.
Dr. Loehle has is completely correct.

Human CO2 emissions have been increasing exponentially, every since James Watt invested the steam engine.

Global temperature (per NCDC) has been increasing linearly  for over 300 years and has been measured, more or less accurately, since 1880.  

This linear trend has been overlaid by a 65 year zig zag, plus minor short term fluctiations (caused by El Ninos, volcanos etc).

Professor Phil Jones now agrees, there&#039;s nothing un-natural about the 20th century warming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very hard to take the article seriously.<br />
Dr. Loehle has is completely correct.</p>
<p>Human CO2 emissions have been increasing exponentially, every since James Watt invested the steam engine.</p>
<p>Global temperature (per NCDC) has been increasing linearly  for over 300 years and has been measured, more or less accurately, since 1880.  </p>
<p>This linear trend has been overlaid by a 65 year zig zag, plus minor short term fluctiations (caused by El Ninos, volcanos etc).</p>
<p>Professor Phil Jones now agrees, there&#8217;s nothing un-natural about the 20th century warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Metro Gnome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Metro Gnome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He meant &quot;If you don&#039;t consider those other pesky things&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He meant &#8220;If you don&#8217;t consider those other pesky things&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Loehle</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/kerry-emanuel-boston-globe-opinion-climate-changes-are-proven-fact/#comment-222015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Loehle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the past 1000 years&quot;--people love to compare annual recent temps with smoothed proxies, which will inevitably give more extremes for the recent.  How you join them up is also uncertain.

I would add that very little effort has been put into determining how much CO2 the oceans would really release when warmed up.  A history of ocean temperatures is still not clearly established and the rates of turnover of water with depth is still poorly understood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the past 1000 years&#8221;&#8211;people love to compare annual recent temps with smoothed proxies, which will inevitably give more extremes for the recent.  How you join them up is also uncertain.</p>
<p>I would add that very little effort has been put into determining how much CO2 the oceans would really release when warmed up.  A history of ocean temperatures is still not clearly established and the rates of turnover of water with depth is still poorly understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid of America</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/kerry-emanuel-boston-globe-opinion-climate-changes-are-proven-fact/#comment-222013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reid of America]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emmanuel says &quot;It is easy to be critical of the models that are used to make such predictions – and we are – but they represent our best efforts to objectively predict climate; everything else is mere opinion and speculation.&quot;

Emmanuel actually believes that climate scientists can &quot;objectively predict climate&quot; with models and super-computers.  I find it difficult to take anybody seriously who believes in such fashionable nonsense.  Note to Dr. Kerry, models are opinion and speculation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmanuel says &#8220;It is easy to be critical of the models that are used to make such predictions – and we are – but they represent our best efforts to objectively predict climate; everything else is mere opinion and speculation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Emmanuel actually believes that climate scientists can &#8220;objectively predict climate&#8221; with models and super-computers.  I find it difficult to take anybody seriously who believes in such fashionable nonsense.  Note to Dr. Kerry, models are opinion and speculation.</p>
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