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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-225754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-225748&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;KT (Mar 18 06:44)&lt;/a&gt;, 

A skeptic can never decide on anything without ceasing to be a &quot;skeptic&quot;?  I don&#039;t think so.  By definition, a skeptic first examines the evidence and then makes up his or her mind.  The complaint we have against way too many warmers is that they accept positions without actually examining the evidence.  Of course some &quot;skeptics&quot; including some here also don&#039;t look at the evidence, but there is a large contingent here who do their best to look at and evaluate evidence purporting to show AGW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-225748" rel="nofollow">KT (Mar 18 06:44)</a>, </p>
<p>A skeptic can never decide on anything without ceasing to be a &#8220;skeptic&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t think so.  By definition, a skeptic first examines the evidence and then makes up his or her mind.  The complaint we have against way too many warmers is that they accept positions without actually examining the evidence.  Of course some &#8220;skeptics&#8221; including some here also don&#8217;t look at the evidence, but there is a large contingent here who do their best to look at and evaluate evidence purporting to show AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: KT</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-225748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You seem to claim to be sceptics, but you already seem to have made your minds up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to claim to be sceptics, but you already seem to have made your minds up.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles DrPH</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles DrPH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who wrote the &quot;Issues Paper&quot;?  At this point, I would have to suspect Macavity.   Nothing would surprise me at this juncture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wrote the &#8220;Issues Paper&#8221;?  At this point, I would have to suspect Macavity.   Nothing would surprise me at this juncture.</p>
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		<title>By: MrPete</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrPete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222368&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MrPete (Feb 17 12:58)&lt;/a&gt;, 
Whoops ... may have the create-date aspect wrong. Not sure. I&#039;d have to go check and have no time right now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-222368" rel="nofollow">MrPete (Feb 17 12:58)</a>,<br />
Whoops &#8230; may have the create-date aspect wrong. Not sure. I&#8217;d have to go check and have no time right now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MrPete</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222368</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrPete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222054&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Id (Feb 16 00:10)&lt;/a&gt;, 
Sorry, life&#039;s full and I&#039;m not here much...

Tests:
* Created multiple files in Word 2007, using different people&#039;s copies
* Preserved some as-is, modified some using same and/or different users
* Did PDF conversions, again using various copies of the above, as well as Acrobat Pro (just in case they have that)
* Examined results and compared to what we have here

Results:
* No question: the PDF was created by the default Word-&gt;PDF tool

* No question: the original file title has survived. This tells me Boulton and any other editors did not &quot;clean up&quot; the file metadata.

* In the PDF, the author and date of any subsequent edits are ignored. The original Word file creator&#039;s name, and original create date, always survive

* The ONLY way to avoid this result is to manually edit the author name in Word or Acrobat (and he doesn&#039;t have Acrobat Pro installed.) Given the above, it is Highly Unlikely the Author name was edited.

[I have current Acrobat Pro on one system. I don&#039;t know if earlier versions show comprehensive metadata. As others have noted, you can at least scan the file for Boulton&#039;s name. But Acrobat shows everything nicely.]

Hope that helps!

Back to my regularly scheduled mayhem... sorry that I can&#039;t really join in the fun much. Life&#039;s too ridiculous right now :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-222054" rel="nofollow">Jeff Id (Feb 16 00:10)</a>,<br />
Sorry, life&#8217;s full and I&#8217;m not here much&#8230;</p>
<p>Tests:<br />
* Created multiple files in Word 2007, using different people&#8217;s copies<br />
* Preserved some as-is, modified some using same and/or different users<br />
* Did PDF conversions, again using various copies of the above, as well as Acrobat Pro (just in case they have that)<br />
* Examined results and compared to what we have here</p>
<p>Results:<br />
* No question: the PDF was created by the default Word-&gt;PDF tool</p>
<p>* No question: the original file title has survived. This tells me Boulton and any other editors did not &#8220;clean up&#8221; the file metadata.</p>
<p>* In the PDF, the author and date of any subsequent edits are ignored. The original Word file creator&#8217;s name, and original create date, always survive</p>
<p>* The ONLY way to avoid this result is to manually edit the author name in Word or Acrobat (and he doesn&#8217;t have Acrobat Pro installed.) Given the above, it is Highly Unlikely the Author name was edited.</p>
<p>[I have current Acrobat Pro on one system. I don't know if earlier versions show comprehensive metadata. As others have noted, you can at least scan the file for Boulton's name. But Acrobat shows everything nicely.]</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
<p>Back to my regularly scheduled mayhem&#8230; sorry that I can&#8217;t really join in the fun much. Life&#8217;s too ridiculous right now <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[derek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When will the little games stop? it&#039;s almost getting laughable at this point can a big person please take control of this circus and do a proper analyst of the emails.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the little games stop? it&#8217;s almost getting laughable at this point can a big person please take control of this circus and do a proper analyst of the emails.</p>
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		<title>By: Duke C.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duke C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222121&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stansvonhorch (Feb 16 12:49)&lt;/a&gt;, 

You are correct. There may be some Revision control data buried in there somewhere. But it&#039;s not worth the effort, now that it&#039;s yesterday&#039;s news. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-222121" rel="nofollow">stansvonhorch (Feb 16 12:49)</a>, </p>
<p>You are correct. There may be some Revision control data buried in there somewhere. But it&#8217;s not worth the effort, now that it&#8217;s yesterday&#8217;s news. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: stansvonhorch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stansvonhorch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the raw metadata that appears in duke&#039;s post up there is the only mention of boulton&#039;s name. the other metadata is mostly structural and doesn&#039;t really help, unless there is reason to suspect tampering (which would make no sense,  i think)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the raw metadata that appears in duke&#8217;s post up there is the only mention of boulton&#8217;s name. the other metadata is mostly structural and doesn&#8217;t really help, unless there is reason to suspect tampering (which would make no sense,  i think)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Iain McQueen</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Iain McQueen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222097&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim (Feb 16 08:33)&lt;/a&gt;, 
Tim
Agreed. The nub of the the matter, and all from deductions and discussions after use of &#039;Steve&#039;s right click&#039;, which I for one wouldn&#039;t have thought of.
We can now reasonably surmize the hapless one is probably not in full control, but it is only a surmize. The dominant force is Boulton, and we know how forked his tongue is!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-222097" rel="nofollow">Tim (Feb 16 08:33)</a>,<br />
Tim<br />
Agreed. The nub of the the matter, and all from deductions and discussions after use of &#8216;Steve&#8217;s right click&#8217;, which I for one wouldn&#8217;t have thought of.<br />
We can now reasonably surmize the hapless one is probably not in full control, but it is only a surmize. The dominant force is Boulton, and we know how forked his tongue is!</p>
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		<title>By: MWalsh</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/02/15/who-wrote-the-issues-paper/#comment-222114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MWalsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, PAL is the European standard after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, PAL is the European standard after all.</p>
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