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		<title>By: Joe Bastardi</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/13/hurricanes-2010/#comment-243591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Bastardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The  FEBRUARY  forecast was for  16-18   total
7 impact storms, 5 of which would be hurricanes,  2 major.
Impact was Way  overdone.  There have been 6 impact storms ( delivery of at least tropical storm force winds to the US coast from a storm of tropical origin, only  1 a hurricane ( Earl..I did not count  Alex  as  a hurricane impact in spite o hurricane warnings on the Texas coast. ). Obviously no majors as of this writing

Please do not misuse  impact and landfall. My  forecast was overdone enough without the exaggeration.  The fact is that landfall, like total number, is over-rated. The question is what happens  to a given site  with a storm that had  tropical origin.  Example:
Ernesto did   a half billion dollars  damage after it was downgraded.  You are correct in saying I am overdone on impact. But remember last year I was leading the pack in saying little activity  ( march forecast)  the year before nailed the high  impact season.  Those that have watched me over the years, have seen  that ideas from 02-05  were very good, if not underdone in  05.  07, like this year, was not a year  I can point to with any degree of satisfaction.  So I am aware of that aspect.   And total intensity this year was no where near normal but bordering on hyperactive ( since I think there are two more developments, it will get to hyper active levels)

There is enough right and wrong so that no one out there I saw nailed the season.  If you want to say   16 storms,  5 or 6 majors  is a normal year, that is  simply wrong.. I admit the impact idea on my part is overdone, but lets make sure we understand what I am  forecasting. 
Note: I have specifically directed my  company to make sure that in using my forecast we use impact, not landfall, where impact is  defined  as the actual weather  caused by a storm of tropical origin.  If there  was confusion, there should be none  now.

Why the high impact score so early.  I simply took the mean  of years  that had  the kind of ace index I believed would occur  (150-200) and played the mean of those years.  From  5 months out,  the forecast for such a high number was being scoffed at,  but if someone told you, as a scientist,  there was  going to  16-18 storms  and  5 majors arguably  6  ( Alex  was  947 mb with a  12 mile wide eye)  what would have been your impact conclusion on the US coastline. The fact is that until May, the other big guns in the forecast debate  did not have as active a season coming s I had put out in February .

I am not justifying the US impact forecast  as much as saying that if you thought the season was going to be normal, perhaps
you should look in the mirror  before  throwing the stones

All the best
JB]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The  FEBRUARY  forecast was for  16-18   total<br />
7 impact storms, 5 of which would be hurricanes,  2 major.<br />
Impact was Way  overdone.  There have been 6 impact storms ( delivery of at least tropical storm force winds to the US coast from a storm of tropical origin, only  1 a hurricane ( Earl..I did not count  Alex  as  a hurricane impact in spite o hurricane warnings on the Texas coast. ). Obviously no majors as of this writing</p>
<p>Please do not misuse  impact and landfall. My  forecast was overdone enough without the exaggeration.  The fact is that landfall, like total number, is over-rated. The question is what happens  to a given site  with a storm that had  tropical origin.  Example:<br />
Ernesto did   a half billion dollars  damage after it was downgraded.  You are correct in saying I am overdone on impact. But remember last year I was leading the pack in saying little activity  ( march forecast)  the year before nailed the high  impact season.  Those that have watched me over the years, have seen  that ideas from 02-05  were very good, if not underdone in  05.  07, like this year, was not a year  I can point to with any degree of satisfaction.  So I am aware of that aspect.   And total intensity this year was no where near normal but bordering on hyperactive ( since I think there are two more developments, it will get to hyper active levels)</p>
<p>There is enough right and wrong so that no one out there I saw nailed the season.  If you want to say   16 storms,  5 or 6 majors  is a normal year, that is  simply wrong.. I admit the impact idea on my part is overdone, but lets make sure we understand what I am  forecasting.<br />
Note: I have specifically directed my  company to make sure that in using my forecast we use impact, not landfall, where impact is  defined  as the actual weather  caused by a storm of tropical origin.  If there  was confusion, there should be none  now.</p>
<p>Why the high impact score so early.  I simply took the mean  of years  that had  the kind of ace index I believed would occur  (150-200) and played the mean of those years.  From  5 months out,  the forecast for such a high number was being scoffed at,  but if someone told you, as a scientist,  there was  going to  16-18 storms  and  5 majors arguably  6  ( Alex  was  947 mb with a  12 mile wide eye)  what would have been your impact conclusion on the US coastline. The fact is that until May, the other big guns in the forecast debate  did not have as active a season coming s I had put out in February .</p>
<p>I am not justifying the US impact forecast  as much as saying that if you thought the season was going to be normal, perhaps<br />
you should look in the mirror  before  throwing the stones</p>
<p>All the best<br />
JB</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/13/hurricanes-2010/#comment-233490</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where&#039;s Judith Curry&#039;s &quot;%cat4/5&quot; standard reply?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s Judith Curry&#8217;s &#8220;%cat4/5&#8243; standard reply?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan N. Maue</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/13/hurricanes-2010/#comment-233472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan N. Maue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 01:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will create a headline-post later tonight...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will create a headline-post later tonight&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/13/hurricanes-2010/#comment-233468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-233452&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John (Jun 25 14:56)&lt;/a&gt;, 

I suspect you&#039;re just trying to drive traffic to your blog, but it is about time to reactivate this thread as there&#039;s news about a TS or TC brewing for the Gulf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-233452" rel="nofollow">John (Jun 25 14:56)</a>, </p>
<p>I suspect you&#8217;re just trying to drive traffic to your blog, but it is about time to reactivate this thread as there&#8217;s news about a TS or TC brewing for the Gulf.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re all going to be in serious trouble with polar ice caps melting, rising sea levels and increased hurricane activity, most probably caused by shifting ocean temperatures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re all going to be in serious trouble with polar ice caps melting, rising sea levels and increased hurricane activity, most probably caused by shifting ocean temperatures.</p>
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		<title>By: timetochooseagain</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/13/hurricanes-2010/#comment-227676</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[timetochooseagain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, Ryan, I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;ve seen this before, but there was a very interesting paper written on longer term East Pacific activity-obviously there are limitations before satellites but much like the reliability of US landfalls, those EPAC storms that hug the Mexican coast (which are a significant percentage of them) may be better counted. According to:

Englehart, P. J., M. D. Lewis, and A. V. Douglas. 2008. Defining the frequency of near-shore tropical cyclone activity in the eastern North Pacific from historical surface observations (1921–2005). Geophysical Research Letters, 35, L03706, doi:10.1029/2007GL032546.

There has been a long term decline in EPAC activity-they even looked at windspeeds and pressures, and average central pressures have been going up, windspeeds down, and there appears to be some decadal variability which reminds me of that in the NATL, but of course inverted. Look at the strong storms in the era of weak storms in the Atlantic, and in the fifties and sixties and today, those strong storms disappeared:

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/wp-images/more_hysteria_fig2.JPG]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Ryan, I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;ve seen this before, but there was a very interesting paper written on longer term East Pacific activity-obviously there are limitations before satellites but much like the reliability of US landfalls, those EPAC storms that hug the Mexican coast (which are a significant percentage of them) may be better counted. According to:</p>
<p>Englehart, P. J., M. D. Lewis, and A. V. Douglas. 2008. Defining the frequency of near-shore tropical cyclone activity in the eastern North Pacific from historical surface observations (1921–2005). Geophysical Research Letters, 35, L03706, doi:10.1029/2007GL032546.</p>
<p>There has been a long term decline in EPAC activity-they even looked at windspeeds and pressures, and average central pressures have been going up, windspeeds down, and there appears to be some decadal variability which reminds me of that in the NATL, but of course inverted. Look at the strong storms in the era of weak storms in the Atlantic, and in the fifties and sixties and today, those strong storms disappeared:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldclimatereport.com/wp-images/more_hysteria_fig2.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldclimatereport.com/wp-images/more_hysteria_fig2.JPG</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/13/hurricanes-2010/#comment-227515</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having re-read your paper I see that you did suggest that-and it is a very good point, especially with regard to frequency.

With regard to ENSO and the Tropical mean, yes that is a major component of it. Of course, outside of the ENSO region proper this response is damped. The effect then of the differencing that Vecchi and Soden (and Swanson) have been suggesting is to: Decrease the amplitude of ENSO events in the Pacific and reverse their sign in the Atlantic. So the differencing basically matches up well with the expectations of El Nino.

Also, when one does this the AMO very nicely emerges from the Atlantic. Unfortunately Vecchi and Soden completely skipped over the EPAC, so I haven&#039;t a clue what that would look like.

Interestingly, despite the notion that AGW should decrease storm frequency and increase intensity, these two appear to be directly rather than inversely related in existing record. I don&#039;t get how anyone thinks that these two phenomena could suddenly cease to be co-dependent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having re-read your paper I see that you did suggest that-and it is a very good point, especially with regard to frequency.</p>
<p>With regard to ENSO and the Tropical mean, yes that is a major component of it. Of course, outside of the ENSO region proper this response is damped. The effect then of the differencing that Vecchi and Soden (and Swanson) have been suggesting is to: Decrease the amplitude of ENSO events in the Pacific and reverse their sign in the Atlantic. So the differencing basically matches up well with the expectations of El Nino.</p>
<p>Also, when one does this the AMO very nicely emerges from the Atlantic. Unfortunately Vecchi and Soden completely skipped over the EPAC, so I haven&#8217;t a clue what that would look like.</p>
<p>Interestingly, despite the notion that AGW should decrease storm frequency and increase intensity, these two appear to be directly rather than inversely related in existing record. I don&#8217;t get how anyone thinks that these two phenomena could suddenly cease to be co-dependent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Maue</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/13/hurricanes-2010/#comment-227512</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Maue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my paper, I hypothesize that fewer African Easterly Waves of the required intensity/scale/flavor enter the Eastern Pacific basin since 1995ish for at least one reason:  they develop first in the Atlantic or get steered away from the Central American crossing point.  Thus, unfavorable conditions prior to crossing the landmass or the latitude at which they do, may have implications for EPAC development.  The SSTs are always very warm in that mini-basin, so I am doubting it is related to AGW at all.

The tropical mean SST is a proxy for ENSO to a large extent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my paper, I hypothesize that fewer African Easterly Waves of the required intensity/scale/flavor enter the Eastern Pacific basin since 1995ish for at least one reason:  they develop first in the Atlantic or get steered away from the Central American crossing point.  Thus, unfavorable conditions prior to crossing the landmass or the latitude at which they do, may have implications for EPAC development.  The SSTs are always very warm in that mini-basin, so I am doubting it is related to AGW at all.</p>
<p>The tropical mean SST is a proxy for ENSO to a large extent.</p>
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		<title>By: timetochooseagain</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why-in a physical sense-have there been fewer and weaker storms in the EPAC in recent years, compared to the late 80&#039;s and early 90&#039;s? My first guess is that it&#039;s connected to moist static stability-the atmosphere in that basin in particular is the only one that appears to have gotten more stable, or less unstable. You can even see this in the Hoyos et al paper. So the important question to ask with regard to intensity trends is, with respect to the non-SST factors, how are they changing, and how can they be expected to change in the future. If they continue to change the way they have in the Atlantic, where wind shear, moist static stability, etc have ALL become more favorable, we&#039;d see big increases in intensity. But models of future climate tend to predict the opposite, so the question is, are the trends in non-SST variables related to AGW or natural? Are the conditions becoming less favorable in the East Pacific due to AGW? If not, why are the conditions become more favorable in the Atlantic due to AGW? Sounds like a double standard. I think the most parsimonious explanation is that the regional climate&#039;s independent variations are what counts for intensity in a basin, and these are natural-the factors probably won&#039;t change as significantly in any way due to AGW given the varied spatial pattern and conflict with models of these natural variables.

BTW, my view that it is the regional climate variation that is not associated with the global change is very consistent with Vecchi and Soden&#039;s work showing that MPI is approximated by subtracting tropical mean SST from MDR SST:

Vecchi, G.A. and B.J. Soden. 2007. Effect of remote sea surface temperature change on tropical cyclone potential intensity. Nature, 450, 1066-1071.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why-in a physical sense-have there been fewer and weaker storms in the EPAC in recent years, compared to the late 80&#8242;s and early 90&#8242;s? My first guess is that it&#8217;s connected to moist static stability-the atmosphere in that basin in particular is the only one that appears to have gotten more stable, or less unstable. You can even see this in the Hoyos et al paper. So the important question to ask with regard to intensity trends is, with respect to the non-SST factors, how are they changing, and how can they be expected to change in the future. If they continue to change the way they have in the Atlantic, where wind shear, moist static stability, etc have ALL become more favorable, we&#8217;d see big increases in intensity. But models of future climate tend to predict the opposite, so the question is, are the trends in non-SST variables related to AGW or natural? Are the conditions becoming less favorable in the East Pacific due to AGW? If not, why are the conditions become more favorable in the Atlantic due to AGW? Sounds like a double standard. I think the most parsimonious explanation is that the regional climate&#8217;s independent variations are what counts for intensity in a basin, and these are natural-the factors probably won&#8217;t change as significantly in any way due to AGW given the varied spatial pattern and conflict with models of these natural variables.</p>
<p>BTW, my view that it is the regional climate variation that is not associated with the global change is very consistent with Vecchi and Soden&#8217;s work showing that MPI is approximated by subtracting tropical mean SST from MDR SST:</p>
<p>Vecchi, G.A. and B.J. Soden. 2007. Effect of remote sea surface temperature change on tropical cyclone potential intensity. Nature, 450, 1066-1071.</p>
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		<title>By: timetochooseagain</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, I see it still isn&#039;t copying right-The list was okay it was a spacing error. Just imagine that the 14 in 2009 is over in the second column.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I see it still isn&#8217;t copying right-The list was okay it was a spacing error. Just imagine that the 14 in 2009 is over in the second column.</p>
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