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	<title>Comments on: Stringer’s Dissents – a Split Decision</title>
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		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226875</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (61) &#160;Stringer dissidences - une décision partagée [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Owl307</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Owl307]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is perhaps informative to review the voting records of the few panel members that bothered to work  and vote on the final report. It is significant that, barely 16 months ago, the UK Climate Change Bill, the most draconian yet passed into law anywhere, was passed virtually unanimously by all MP&#039;s. Only three rebelled, all Conservatives, plus two Conservative tellers. None of those worthies sat on the present committee. Interestingly, from the CRU Parliamentary Inquiry, Labour member Stringer was absent for the Climate Change Bill vote, the other three Inquiry authors were however present and approved it. Stringer&#039;s overall voting history is indicative that he is his own man- voting rebelliously on several occasions, notably in favour of a referendum on the high profile Lisbon Treaty.

So it is perhaps not so surprising that Stringer rose fearlessly to the task in hand, while the others perhaps less courageously chose to adopt the tactically safer role, reminiscent of the proverbial Three Monkeys who saw, heard and spoke no evil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is perhaps informative to review the voting records of the few panel members that bothered to work  and vote on the final report. It is significant that, barely 16 months ago, the UK Climate Change Bill, the most draconian yet passed into law anywhere, was passed virtually unanimously by all MP&#8217;s. Only three rebelled, all Conservatives, plus two Conservative tellers. None of those worthies sat on the present committee. Interestingly, from the CRU Parliamentary Inquiry, Labour member Stringer was absent for the Climate Change Bill vote, the other three Inquiry authors were however present and approved it. Stringer&#8217;s overall voting history is indicative that he is his own man- voting rebelliously on several occasions, notably in favour of a referendum on the high profile Lisbon Treaty.</p>
<p>So it is perhaps not so surprising that Stringer rose fearlessly to the task in hand, while the others perhaps less courageously chose to adopt the tactically safer role, reminiscent of the proverbial Three Monkeys who saw, heard and spoke no evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In politics, if you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas. It cannot be assumed that all of the submissions were read, or even skimmed, as it is evident that most came down heavily against the CRU. It is very easy to find cases where the Committee reports on matters that say the opposite (with good reasoning) in the submissions. That&#039;s not an unusual outcome for those who are taught not to ask questions unless they know the answers.

G. Stringer MP is a Chemist. So am I. Simplistically put, we both know that if you mix A + B in a test tube, you get C every time. No supposition, no belief needed, just use the evidence that can be replicated over and over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In politics, if you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas. It cannot be assumed that all of the submissions were read, or even skimmed, as it is evident that most came down heavily against the CRU. It is very easy to find cases where the Committee reports on matters that say the opposite (with good reasoning) in the submissions. That&#8217;s not an unusual outcome for those who are taught not to ask questions unless they know the answers.</p>
<p>G. Stringer MP is a Chemist. So am I. Simplistically put, we both know that if you mix A + B in a test tube, you get C every time. No supposition, no belief needed, just use the evidence that can be replicated over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray Girouard re NASA Global Hawk. Would it be too mundane to grid map the UHI of several cities/towns and their rural surrounds using mid to far IR as with a FLIR camera? It&#039;s too easy to jump to sexy applications when we lack the basics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Girouard re NASA Global Hawk. Would it be too mundane to grid map the UHI of several cities/towns and their rural surrounds using mid to far IR as with a FLIR camera? It&#8217;s too easy to jump to sexy applications when we lack the basics.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sir Charles Scott Sherrington has the same surname as mine. I have not established a blood link yet, but I do study his works because he was famous. Here is a passage to show how words like &quot;research&quot; and &quot;attitude&quot; used to have meaning. Quote -

Oxford offered Sherrington the Waynflete Chair of Physiology in 1913. 

. The electors to that chair unanimously recommended Sherrington without considering any other candidates. Sherrington enjoyed the honor of teaching many bright students at Oxford. Over a handful of his students were Rhodes&#039; scholars and three went on to be Nobel laureates. The three are Sir John Eccles, 
Ragnar Arthur Granit and Lord Howard Florey.

Sherrington&#039;s philosophy as a teacher can be seen in his response to the question of what was the real function of Oxford University in the world. Sherrington said:

&quot;after some hundreds of years of experience we think that we have learned here in Oxford how to teach what is known. But now with the undeniable upsurge of scientific research, we cannot continue to rely on the mere fact that we have learned how to teach what is known. We must learn to teach the best attitude to what is not yet known. This also may take centuries to acquire but we cannot escape this new challenge, nor do we want to.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Charles Scott Sherrington has the same surname as mine. I have not established a blood link yet, but I do study his works because he was famous. Here is a passage to show how words like &#8220;research&#8221; and &#8220;attitude&#8221; used to have meaning. Quote -</p>
<p>Oxford offered Sherrington the Waynflete Chair of Physiology in 1913. </p>
<p>. The electors to that chair unanimously recommended Sherrington without considering any other candidates. Sherrington enjoyed the honor of teaching many bright students at Oxford. Over a handful of his students were Rhodes&#8217; scholars and three went on to be Nobel laureates. The three are Sir John Eccles,<br />
Ragnar Arthur Granit and Lord Howard Florey.</p>
<p>Sherrington&#8217;s philosophy as a teacher can be seen in his response to the question of what was the real function of Oxford University in the world. Sherrington said:</p>
<p>&#8220;after some hundreds of years of experience we think that we have learned here in Oxford how to teach what is known. But now with the undeniable upsurge of scientific research, we cannot continue to rely on the mere fact that we have learned how to teach what is known. We must learn to teach the best attitude to what is not yet known. This also may take centuries to acquire but we cannot escape this new challenge, nor do we want to.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom P</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

Have you resolved the issues with your submission yet, in particular the cause of the inaccurate reconstruction of Briffa&#039;s plot and how many chronologies had been replaced in your sensitivity test?

As the committee had been made aware of these issues, I&#039;m afraid they might have rather discounted your submission unless you had given some clarification on these points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Have you resolved the issues with your submission yet, in particular the cause of the inaccurate reconstruction of Briffa&#8217;s plot and how many chronologies had been replaced in your sensitivity test?</p>
<p>As the committee had been made aware of these issues, I&#8217;m afraid they might have rather discounted your submission unless you had given some clarification on these points.</p>
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		<title>By: Bias media claims climate data not manipulated, ignore dissenting arguments</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bias media claims climate data not manipulated, ignore dissenting arguments]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and the phrase &quot;hide the decline&quot; in an email by Professor Phil Jones.   MP Graham Stringer, widely recognized for insightful questioning of Jones at the Parliamentary Inquiry, voted against [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the phrase &quot;hide the decline&quot; in an email by Professor Phil Jones.   MP Graham Stringer, widely recognized for insightful questioning of Jones at the Parliamentary Inquiry, voted against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ausie Dan</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226588</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ausie Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I watched the netcast of the hearings in its entirity.

It was refreshing to see a committee member who actually understood the issues and was not afraid to base his questions on that understanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the netcast of the hearings in its entirity.</p>
<p>It was refreshing to see a committee member who actually understood the issues and was not afraid to base his questions on that understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Parliament&#8217;s investigation: Stolen e-mails reveal no wrong-doing by climate scientists &#171; Millard Fillmore&#8217;s Bathtub</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parliament&#8217;s investigation: Stolen e-mails reveal no wrong-doing by climate scientists &#171; Millard Fillmore&#8217;s Bathtub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Is this a surprise?  Contrarians, dissenters and deniers say the report errs. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Chinese government behind [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is this a surprise?  Contrarians, dissenters and deniers say the report errs. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Chinese government behind [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Iain McQueen</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/03/30/stringers-dissents-a-split-decision/#comment-226519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Iain McQueen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a summary by the Science and Technology Committee of their activity to date for the session from Oct 2009 to the present dying days of this parliament March 2010:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/481/48106.htm#a9

The penultimate paragraph No.65 concludes

&quot;....Third, that climate science has a great responsibility in terms of providing the planet&#039;s decision makers with the knowledge that they need to secure our future and that &lt;strong&gt;this responsibility means that the knowledge on which these kinds of decisions are taken had better be right; the quality and transparency of the science must be irreproachable&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;

I reckon this is quite encouraging. None of the committee members will be naive, and I should say they have smelled a bit of a rat. They have to write a report for the record, but in the British way, that does not mean their beliefs are restricted to the published contents. It is to be hoped that some coherent questioning of the whole process is at least started.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a summary by the Science and Technology Committee of their activity to date for the session from Oct 2009 to the present dying days of this parliament March 2010:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/481/48106.htm#a9" rel="nofollow">http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/481/48106.htm#a9</a></p>
<p>The penultimate paragraph No.65 concludes</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.Third, that climate science has a great responsibility in terms of providing the planet&#8217;s decision makers with the knowledge that they need to secure our future and that <strong>this responsibility means that the knowledge on which these kinds of decisions are taken had better be right; the quality and transparency of the science must be irreproachable</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>I reckon this is quite encouraging. None of the committee members will be naive, and I should say they have smelled a bit of a rat. They have to write a report for the record, but in the British way, that does not mean their beliefs are restricted to the published contents. It is to be hoped that some coherent questioning of the whole process is at least started.</p>
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