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	<title>Comments on: Der Spiegel</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Invariant</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-227196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Invariant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this blog illuminating:

http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2010/04/03/lawrence-solomon-france-to-hold-official-debate-on-climate-change.aspx

:-)

&lt;i&gt;The hard science of CO2 driven climate warming needs to be proven before the social and political soft sciences have any role.  The theory of AGW was, unfortunately, presented first in terms of social and political considerations long before, and in spite of, any scientific proof.   With AGW theory presented as a fait accompli, the hard science has been struggling to find the evidence to support it.  

In the normal progression of scientific research, first there is observable phenomena, then it gets investigated for an explanation and only then are the social and political ramifications explored.  AGW is an answer looking for a question.

Kudos to France for having the courage to put this to an open discussion.  The anger from the skeptics is about the dearth of hard scientific evidence supporting AGW theory and the subsequent suffocation and vilification of anyone questioning this obvious lack.  AGW has been a sorry chapter in the history of science.  100 years from now it will be studied by the social scientists, much the same way the theory of eugenics is studied now.  The question will be asked how the world was duped on such a massive scale.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this blog illuminating:</p>
<p><a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2010/04/03/lawrence-solomon-france-to-hold-official-debate-on-climate-change.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2010/04/03/lawrence-solomon-france-to-hold-official-debate-on-climate-change.aspx</a><br />
 <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>The hard science of CO2 driven climate warming needs to be proven before the social and political soft sciences have any role.  The theory of AGW was, unfortunately, presented first in terms of social and political considerations long before, and in spite of, any scientific proof.   With AGW theory presented as a fait accompli, the hard science has been struggling to find the evidence to support it.  </p>
<p>In the normal progression of scientific research, first there is observable phenomena, then it gets investigated for an explanation and only then are the social and political ramifications explored.  AGW is an answer looking for a question.</p>
<p>Kudos to France for having the courage to put this to an open discussion.  The anger from the skeptics is about the dearth of hard scientific evidence supporting AGW theory and the subsequent suffocation and vilification of anyone questioning this obvious lack.  AGW has been a sorry chapter in the history of science.  100 years from now it will be studied by the social scientists, much the same way the theory of eugenics is studied now.  The question will be asked how the world was duped on such a massive scale.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 01:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since you say &quot;some&quot;, I&#039;m guessing that some disagree with the other &quot;some&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you say &#8220;some&#8221;, I&#8217;m guessing that some disagree with the other &#8220;some&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Follow The Money</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Follow The Money]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 23:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought Webster&#039;s comment about land record jumps, beyond the already known &quot;water bucket&quot; water temps. matter, a delicious hint.

I want to hear more! Land Buckets?

/endobscuresaturdaynightliveallusion]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Webster&#8217;s comment about land record jumps, beyond the already known &#8220;water bucket&#8221; water temps. matter, a delicious hint.</p>
<p>I want to hear more! Land Buckets?</p>
<p>/endobscuresaturdaynightliveallusion</p>
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		<title>By: Charles DrPH</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles DrPH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blast, I was just about to post the Spiegel article and I found I was beaten to the punch! 

Well done, Steve, your portrait in the article is rather charming!  Huddled over an ancient laptop in a room lit by a single high-efficiency lightbulb....

Happy Holidays to all, please enjoy your families this Easter and Passover!  Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blast, I was just about to post the Spiegel article and I found I was beaten to the punch! </p>
<p>Well done, Steve, your portrait in the article is rather charming!  Huddled over an ancient laptop in a room lit by a single high-efficiency lightbulb&#8230;.</p>
<p>Happy Holidays to all, please enjoy your families this Easter and Passover!  Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: phys_hack</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phys_hack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They do exhibit a touching faith in computer models. If a computer said so, it must be true. Which makes precisely as much sense as saying that if a car went that way, it must be right. 

It&#039;s not the car that makes it right, it&#039;s the driver. The same for models.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do exhibit a touching faith in computer models. If a computer said so, it must be true. Which makes precisely as much sense as saying that if a car went that way, it must be right. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the car that makes it right, it&#8217;s the driver. The same for models.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilJourdan</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhilJourdan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good synopsis.  Instead of repeating it, I will just affirm and agree with yours.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good synopsis.  Instead of repeating it, I will just affirm and agree with yours.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: bobdenton</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226787</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobdenton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’ve both mounted and attacked robust defences in my time and this is not a robust defence. They’ve chosen, unwisely in my view, to confess and mitigate “We’ve been bad but we’re well intentioned boys with good hearts ”.

I agree that the literary style has been chosen to obfuscate rather than communicate, again an error in my view given the medium through which they intend to communicate and the target audience. This submission will be sliced and diced on the blogosphere and in the newspapers long before we ever hear what Muir thinks of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve both mounted and attacked robust defences in my time and this is not a robust defence. They’ve chosen, unwisely in my view, to confess and mitigate “We’ve been bad but we’re well intentioned boys with good hearts ”.</p>
<p>I agree that the literary style has been chosen to obfuscate rather than communicate, again an error in my view given the medium through which they intend to communicate and the target audience. This submission will be sliced and diced on the blogosphere and in the newspapers long before we ever hear what Muir thinks of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226782</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s also an interesting submission by McKitrick, which is highly critical of the CRU team (citing relevant e-mails and CA references for background).

My first impression of the CRU submission was that it was a robust defence of everything they have ever done! That said, it&#039;s 78 pages of fairly dense text, so I may have missed admissions Re Briffa etc; will re-read.

There was an e-mail from Mann which said that it would be &#039;nice to try to &quot;contain&quot; the putative &quot;MWP&quot;.&#039; CRU claim (at length) that this means a reconstruction long enough to contain the years that big oil-sponsored evil skeptics alleged to show MWP warmth. I certainly find it suspicious that &quot;contain&quot; is within quotation marks in the above Mann quote; seems a bit of a giveaway to me. McKitrick says that it&#039;s an &quot;obvious&quot; &quot;attempt to diminish the perceived magnitude of the MWP&quot;. Agreed - but what can we do to stop CRU weaselling out of this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also an interesting submission by McKitrick, which is highly critical of the CRU team (citing relevant e-mails and CA references for background).</p>
<p>My first impression of the CRU submission was that it was a robust defence of everything they have ever done! That said, it&#8217;s 78 pages of fairly dense text, so I may have missed admissions Re Briffa etc; will re-read.</p>
<p>There was an e-mail from Mann which said that it would be &#8216;nice to try to &#8220;contain&#8221; the putative &#8220;MWP&#8221;.&#8217; CRU claim (at length) that this means a reconstruction long enough to contain the years that big oil-sponsored evil skeptics alleged to show MWP warmth. I certainly find it suspicious that &#8220;contain&#8221; is within quotation marks in the above Mann quote; seems a bit of a giveaway to me. McKitrick says that it&#8217;s an &#8220;obvious&#8221; &#8220;attempt to diminish the perceived magnitude of the MWP&#8221;. Agreed &#8211; but what can we do to stop CRU weaselling out of this?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-226771&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom P (Apr 2 08:27)&lt;/a&gt;, 

Specifics, Tom.  Otherwise you&#039;re just another troll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-226771" rel="nofollow">Tom P (Apr 2 08:27)</a>, </p>
<p>Specifics, Tom.  Otherwise you&#8217;re just another troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom P</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/01/der-spiegel/#comment-226771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How low? You tell me!

Nobody has paid me for a few hours with R - I have a day job that sets my reputation as well as pays the bills.

Steve is of course allowed to spend his retirement as he pleases. It&#039;s a shame he uses it to try to shred the reputation of good but human scientists with his own flawed analysis that involves more than just one mislabelled figure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How low? You tell me!</p>
<p>Nobody has paid me for a few hours with R &#8211; I have a day job that sets my reputation as well as pays the bills.</p>
<p>Steve is of course allowed to spend his retirement as he pleases. It&#8217;s a shame he uses it to try to shred the reputation of good but human scientists with his own flawed analysis that involves more than just one mislabelled figure.</p>
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