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	<title>Comments on: Oxburgh’s Trick to Hide the Trick</title>
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		<title>By: R.H. Findlay</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-257175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.H. Findlay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that most of these posts miss the point in attempts to score a point.

Modelling in 1895, the 1930s and the 1950s demonstrated the theoretical possibility of CO2-induced global warming through the &quot;greenhouse&quot; effect. This was not carried out by scientists with vested interests in selling wind-mills and biofuel diesel.

Assuming the measurements of past and present atmospheric CO2 are correct, the amount of CO2 in our atmophere has increased considerably since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

The population of the world and hence energy use has increased dramatically since 1745; the population of the world is rapidly heading to 7 billion, and upwards, and will soon attain a 5-fold increase on the population of 1900.

Is or is not the tundra melting with increasing rapidity and the zero degree isotherm moving north more rapidly than it has done since the industrial revolution began, and more so in the last 40 years?

Do you cross the M25 on foot and blindfold in the hope that a truck will not hit you? 

Should there be a probability that assorted anthropogenic greenhouse gases cause or are contributing to global warming, which has been occurring unequivocally since the 1890s, then should we not try to alleviate, mitigate or even prevent the problems it will certainly bring us socially?

All else is irrelevant chatter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that most of these posts miss the point in attempts to score a point.</p>
<p>Modelling in 1895, the 1930s and the 1950s demonstrated the theoretical possibility of CO2-induced global warming through the &#8220;greenhouse&#8221; effect. This was not carried out by scientists with vested interests in selling wind-mills and biofuel diesel.</p>
<p>Assuming the measurements of past and present atmospheric CO2 are correct, the amount of CO2 in our atmophere has increased considerably since the beginning of the industrial revolution.</p>
<p>The population of the world and hence energy use has increased dramatically since 1745; the population of the world is rapidly heading to 7 billion, and upwards, and will soon attain a 5-fold increase on the population of 1900.</p>
<p>Is or is not the tundra melting with increasing rapidity and the zero degree isotherm moving north more rapidly than it has done since the industrial revolution began, and more so in the last 40 years?</p>
<p>Do you cross the M25 on foot and blindfold in the hope that a truck will not hit you? </p>
<p>Should there be a probability that assorted anthropogenic greenhouse gases cause or are contributing to global warming, which has been occurring unequivocally since the 1890s, then should we not try to alleviate, mitigate or even prevent the problems it will certainly bring us socially?</p>
<p>All else is irrelevant chatter.</p>
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		<title>By: Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; No &#8220;Tidy&#8221; End in Sight</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-230029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; No &#8220;Tidy&#8221; End in Sight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 12:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the Decline&#8221; has not been adequately addressed (if at all) in any investigations so far. Here&#8217;s McIntyre last month, after the Oxburgh report was released: Without specifically mentioning the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Decline&#8221; has not been adequately addressed (if at all) in any investigations so far. Here&#8217;s McIntyre last month, after the Oxburgh report was released: Without specifically mentioning the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climategate Investigation Only Fuels Controversy &#124; Conservative Principles Now</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climategate Investigation Only Fuels Controversy &#124; Conservative Principles Now]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] length.  Steve McIntyre, a leading critic of the IPCC report and editor of the Climate Audit blog, pointed out that the panel thought it only regrettable—and in no way acknowledged any sort of cover-up&#8211; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] length.  Steve McIntyre, a leading critic of the IPCC report and editor of the Climate Audit blog, pointed out that the panel thought it only regrettable—and in no way acknowledged any sort of cover-up&#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climategate Investigation Only Fuels Controversy &#124; The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228553</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climategate Investigation Only Fuels Controversy &#124; The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] length.  Steve McIntyre, a leading critic of the IPCC report and editor of the Climate Audit blog, pointed out that the panel thought it only regrettable—and in no way acknowledged any sort of cover-up&#8211; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] length.  Steve McIntyre, a leading critic of the IPCC report and editor of the Climate Audit blog, pointed out that the panel thought it only regrettable—and in no way acknowledged any sort of cover-up&#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Del &#8216;Climategate&#8217; al &#8216;Cutregate&#8217; &#124; Desde el Exilio</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Del &#8216;Climategate&#8217; al &#8216;Cutregate&#8217; &#124; Desde el Exilio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 04:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Comentario aparte merece el &#8220;trabajo&#8221; de Lord Oxburgh y compañía. Si Esperanza Aguirre montara una comisión sobre el caso Gürthel y el resultado un informe como el emitido por Oxburgh, le dábamos de palos hasta en el carné de identidad. Y seguramente con razón. No me sorprende en absoluto el cabreo de McIntyre. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comentario aparte merece el &#8220;trabajo&#8221; de Lord Oxburgh y compañía. Si Esperanza Aguirre montara una comisión sobre el caso Gürthel y el resultado un informe como el emitido por Oxburgh, le dábamos de palos hasta en el carné de identidad. Y seguramente con razón. No me sorprende en absoluto el cabreo de McIntyre. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Another &#8220;investigation&#8221; concludes with a whitewashing &#171; CO2 Realist</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another &#8220;investigation&#8221; concludes with a whitewashing &#171; CO2 Realist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you can provide a cite where Ross or Steve have ever said &quot;Climate change is a hoax&quot; or any reasonable variation thereof, we&#039;d be very interested.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe it’s high time for an audit of climateaudit.org to see just how well the claims made on this blog would stand up to the kind of scrutiny and harassment to which Steve subjects legitimate climate scientists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, but you see, the difference here is that you CAN audit CA, because everything is open and transparent, unlike the work of most &quot;legitimate climate scientists&quot;. 

So let&#039;s see your audit...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can provide a cite where Ross or Steve have ever said &#8220;Climate change is a hoax&#8221; or any reasonable variation thereof, we&#8217;d be very interested.</p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe it’s high time for an audit of climateaudit.org to see just how well the claims made on this blog would stand up to the kind of scrutiny and harassment to which Steve subjects legitimate climate scientists.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but you see, the difference here is that you CAN audit CA, because everything is open and transparent, unlike the work of most &#8220;legitimate climate scientists&#8221;. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s see your audit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobdenton</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobdenton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The panel confined itself to the peer-reviewed literature.

 I note that in Denmark a state funded scientist has legal obligation of integrity in respect of all his publications, not just the peer- reviewed literature and not just publications produced on paid time. 

Bjorn Lomborg fell foul of this law when he published his book “The Sceptical Environmentalist”. He was charged with giving an unbalanced review of the literature in this work, arguing that the sums proposed to be spent would be better spent on alleiving existing problems rather than avoiding contingent, future problems. He was acquitted, but the matter was dealt with by the Committee on Scientific Dishonesty, a state tribunal chaired by a judge.

Given that science is international it might have been helpful if Oxburgh had looked to see what was the best standard in international terms before deciding on a benchmark against which to measure the integrity of the work of CRU. Clearly they have selected the lowest possible standard, certainly lower than that in Denmark and lower than in USA from which much of CRUs funding has originated. This may affect their eligibility for funding from the US government in future.

It would be interesting to ask Phil Jones if he would have used Mike’s Nature  trick to hide the decline if he had been subject to Danish law.

Incidentally, in Mann’s submission to Muir he says that his Nature trick was to show the proxy and instrumental data separately and marked and labelled so as to avoid confusion. (examination of the diagram in his diagram in MBH98 neither confirms nor disconfirms this since it appears to have been drawn with smudge sticks, but blown up x 8it is possible to distinguish a clear decline in the proxy data followed by a steeply rising line representing the instrumental data) He doesn’t know of any other case than Jones of proxy and instrumental data being conflated. He cannot explain Jones’s conduct but suggests he may have been minimising the graphic to clarify the message and the decline was omitted to avoid confusing lay people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The panel confined itself to the peer-reviewed literature.</p>
<p> I note that in Denmark a state funded scientist has legal obligation of integrity in respect of all his publications, not just the peer- reviewed literature and not just publications produced on paid time. </p>
<p>Bjorn Lomborg fell foul of this law when he published his book “The Sceptical Environmentalist”. He was charged with giving an unbalanced review of the literature in this work, arguing that the sums proposed to be spent would be better spent on alleiving existing problems rather than avoiding contingent, future problems. He was acquitted, but the matter was dealt with by the Committee on Scientific Dishonesty, a state tribunal chaired by a judge.</p>
<p>Given that science is international it might have been helpful if Oxburgh had looked to see what was the best standard in international terms before deciding on a benchmark against which to measure the integrity of the work of CRU. Clearly they have selected the lowest possible standard, certainly lower than that in Denmark and lower than in USA from which much of CRUs funding has originated. This may affect their eligibility for funding from the US government in future.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to ask Phil Jones if he would have used Mike’s Nature  trick to hide the decline if he had been subject to Danish law.</p>
<p>Incidentally, in Mann’s submission to Muir he says that his Nature trick was to show the proxy and instrumental data separately and marked and labelled so as to avoid confusion. (examination of the diagram in his diagram in MBH98 neither confirms nor disconfirms this since it appears to have been drawn with smudge sticks, but blown up x 8it is possible to distinguish a clear decline in the proxy data followed by a steeply rising line representing the instrumental data) He doesn’t know of any other case than Jones of proxy and instrumental data being conflated. He cannot explain Jones’s conduct but suggests he may have been minimising the graphic to clarify the message and the decline was omitted to avoid confusing lay people.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Loehle</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Loehle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is convenient that the panel blamed the IPCC for using the trick, and other omissions about the decline, but the authors of those sections of the IPCC report 2007 were in fact CRU scientists Briffa, Jones, et al. and they did that work while on CRU paid time, not as &quot;private citizens&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is convenient that the panel blamed the IPCC for using the trick, and other omissions about the decline, but the authors of those sections of the IPCC report 2007 were in fact CRU scientists Briffa, Jones, et al. and they did that work while on CRU paid time, not as &#8220;private citizens&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Montague</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/14/oxburghs-trick-to-hide-the-trick/#comment-228085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duncan Montague]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surprise surprise. Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick don&#039;t like the Oxburgh report. Who woulda thunk it? Poor ol&#039; Steve. The scientists at CRU have been vindicated by two separate, independent reports but he&#039;s not having any of it. Climate change has to be a hoax and no amount of evidence will convince him or anyone else who visits this blog otherwise. 

Maybe it&#039;s high time for an audit of climateaudit.org to see just how well the claims made on this blog would stand up to the kind of scrutiny and harassment to which Steve subjects legitimate climate scientists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprise surprise. Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick don&#8217;t like the Oxburgh report. Who woulda thunk it? Poor ol&#8217; Steve. The scientists at CRU have been vindicated by two separate, independent reports but he&#8217;s not having any of it. Climate change has to be a hoax and no amount of evidence will convince him or anyone else who visits this blog otherwise. </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s high time for an audit of climateaudit.org to see just how well the claims made on this blog would stand up to the kind of scrutiny and harassment to which Steve subjects legitimate climate scientists.</p>
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