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		<title>By: Ten klimatolog už se chce zase soudit &#171; AntiMELOUN</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-349364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ten klimatolog už se chce zase soudit &#171; AntiMELOUN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Scott</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-273290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raymond Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 01:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is hard to deny that our climate is changing, and instead of fighting and ignoring it, we should be embracing the tools to make the best that we can out of our current situation. If someone has been affected negatively by climate change, then they can file their grievances at http://www.claimer.org/registerDamages and that organization will organize legal actions on your behalf. They won&#039;t necessarily get it done quickly or react to every claimant or take every claim seriously, but it is at least a good start to get your environmental damages registered there. Especially if everyone affected registers, then they may be able to produce reports about the amount of damages they found were caused by climate damages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to deny that our climate is changing, and instead of fighting and ignoring it, we should be embracing the tools to make the best that we can out of our current situation. If someone has been affected negatively by climate change, then they can file their grievances at <a href="http://www.claimer.org/registerDamages" rel="nofollow">http://www.claimer.org/registerDamages</a> and that organization will organize legal actions on your behalf. They won&#8217;t necessarily get it done quickly or react to every claimant or take every claim seriously, but it is at least a good start to get your environmental damages registered there. Especially if everyone affected registers, then they may be able to produce reports about the amount of damages they found were caused by climate damages.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-229918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-229915&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Richard deSousa (May 14 10:37)&lt;/a&gt;, 

His point is only this - that the trick would have worked about as well even if the end of the truncated Briffa reconstruction hadn&#039;t been tucked into a back layer. The main aspect of the IPCC trick  are of course (1) the deletion of post-1960 values to hide the decline: (2) secondarily, the modification of the smooth by using plugged values in the forward pad rather than actual values; (3) ending in a tangle of spaghetti with a color scheme so that the dangling endpoint isn&#039;t distinct; (4) having the endpoint in a back layer so it&#039;s that much harder to see.  

DC argues that the 4th element is relatively unimportant to the successful functioning of the trick. I agree that it is less important than the first three elements. Obviously the deletion of post-1960 values is the key element of the trick to hide the decline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-229915" rel="nofollow"> Richard deSousa (May 14 10:37)</a>, </p>
<p>His point is only this &#8211; that the trick would have worked about as well even if the end of the truncated Briffa reconstruction hadn&#8217;t been tucked into a back layer. The main aspect of the IPCC trick  are of course (1) the deletion of post-1960 values to hide the decline: (2) secondarily, the modification of the smooth by using plugged values in the forward pad rather than actual values; (3) ending in a tangle of spaghetti with a color scheme so that the dangling endpoint isn&#8217;t distinct; (4) having the endpoint in a back layer so it&#8217;s that much harder to see.  </p>
<p>DC argues that the 4th element is relatively unimportant to the successful functioning of the trick. I agree that it is less important than the first three elements. Obviously the deletion of post-1960 values is the key element of the trick to hide the decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard deSousa</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-229915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard deSousa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 15:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has RealClimate morphed into DeepClimate? The latter site claims the criticism against the Hockey Stick is bogus. I don&#039;t have the expertise to pick apart the claim so here&#039;s the link.

http://deepclimate.org/2010/05/11/how-to-be-a-climate-auditor-part-1-pretty%C2%A0pictures/

BTW, this site also disparages Wegman. The blog&#039;s owner is Canadian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has RealClimate morphed into DeepClimate? The latter site claims the criticism against the Hockey Stick is bogus. I don&#8217;t have the expertise to pick apart the claim so here&#8217;s the link.</p>
<p><a href="http://deepclimate.org/2010/05/11/how-to-be-a-climate-auditor-part-1-pretty%C2%A0pictures/" rel="nofollow">http://deepclimate.org/2010/05/11/how-to-be-a-climate-auditor-part-1-pretty%C2%A0pictures/</a></p>
<p>BTW, this site also disparages Wegman. The blog&#8217;s owner is Canadian.</p>
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		<title>By: How to be a climate auditor, part 1: Pretty pictures &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-229776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How to be a climate auditor, part 1: Pretty pictures &#171; Deep Climate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 05:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to notice that McIntyre has dropped any pretense of examining any actual science). In the comments, McIntyre laid it on the line: Steve: The fact that Hide the Decline II contains better analysis of the trick than either the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to notice that McIntyre has dropped any pretense of examining any actual science). In the comments, McIntyre laid it on the line: Steve: The fact that Hide the Decline II contains better analysis of the trick than either the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: QBeamus</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-229075</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[QBeamus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be willing to do some pro-bono work for the defense.  As others have commented, I think we&#039;d be calling Mann&#039;s bluff, since he surely doesn&#039;t want the light of civil discovery cast into the dark corners of his data.  But, at least based on the info I&#039;ve seen so far, the threat is laughable on its face.  

In my opinion, the the enthusiasm I&#039;ve seen among some members of the IP bar is unhealthy.  I recently had an argument with a couple who seriously believed that college baseketball players from a famously successful team in the 1970s should get royalties on a video game that let kids play them.  Anyway, since NY Times v. Sulivan, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much room for Mann&#039;s suit, at least in the U.S., and I don&#039;t think that fact will be lost on the courts.  

I&#039;d love the chance to argue this case in front of an appellate court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be willing to do some pro-bono work for the defense.  As others have commented, I think we&#8217;d be calling Mann&#8217;s bluff, since he surely doesn&#8217;t want the light of civil discovery cast into the dark corners of his data.  But, at least based on the info I&#8217;ve seen so far, the threat is laughable on its face.  </p>
<p>In my opinion, the the enthusiasm I&#8217;ve seen among some members of the IP bar is unhealthy.  I recently had an argument with a couple who seriously believed that college baseketball players from a famously successful team in the 1970s should get royalties on a video game that let kids play them.  Anyway, since NY Times v. Sulivan, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much room for Mann&#8217;s suit, at least in the U.S., and I don&#8217;t think that fact will be lost on the courts.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love the chance to argue this case in front of an appellate court.</p>
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		<title>By: R.S.Brown</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-228882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.S.Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More fallout from the threatened legal action:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/04/27/climatedepots-morano-mann-lawsuit-just-goes-show-you-how-mighty-have-fall

Popcorn, anyone ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More fallout from the threatened legal action:</p>
<p><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/04/27/climatedepots-morano-mann-lawsuit-just-goes-show-you-how-mighty-have-fall" rel="nofollow">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/04/27/climatedepots-morano-mann-lawsuit-just-goes-show-you-how-mighty-have-fall</a></p>
<p>Popcorn, anyone ?</p>
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		<title>By: BruceC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-228770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BruceC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I imagine that you mean &#039;cached&#039;.  In web-speak, a cached item is one that has been stored as a temporary copy of the original, for performance or history purposes.  &#039;Temporary&#039; can mean anything from seconds to minutes to years, depending on the particular purpose, but denotes storage of a copy that isn&#039;t guaranteed to always be there.

When you view a web page, all of the images and files are stored in your browsers cache, so that if the same file is requested again, your computer gets it from the browser cache instead of downloading the file again.

Web servers cache frequently-requested items to improve performance.

The Google cache is Google&#039;s temporary copy of indexed websites, as at the last time that Google looked at the site and memorised the contents for search indexing.  You can view the cached version of most sites through Google by clicking on the &#039;cached&#039; link in the search results.

In the case of the video, &#039;cache&#039; will be being used to describe the various copies of the video made and posted all around the internet.  It&#039;s a technically inaccurate description since they are copies and are not likely to expire and be removed.  And Google does not store large items like videos in it&#039;s search cache.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine that you mean &#8216;cached&#8217;.  In web-speak, a cached item is one that has been stored as a temporary copy of the original, for performance or history purposes.  &#8216;Temporary&#8217; can mean anything from seconds to minutes to years, depending on the particular purpose, but denotes storage of a copy that isn&#8217;t guaranteed to always be there.</p>
<p>When you view a web page, all of the images and files are stored in your browsers cache, so that if the same file is requested again, your computer gets it from the browser cache instead of downloading the file again.</p>
<p>Web servers cache frequently-requested items to improve performance.</p>
<p>The Google cache is Google&#8217;s temporary copy of indexed websites, as at the last time that Google looked at the site and memorised the contents for search indexing.  You can view the cached version of most sites through Google by clicking on the &#8216;cached&#8217; link in the search results.</p>
<p>In the case of the video, &#8216;cache&#8217; will be being used to describe the various copies of the video made and posted all around the internet.  It&#8217;s a technically inaccurate description since they are copies and are not likely to expire and be removed.  And Google does not store large items like videos in it&#8217;s search cache.</p>
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		<title>By: gimply</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-228735</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gimply]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, now.  This could get very interesting if the judge has more than an arts degree....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now.  This could get very interesting if the judge has more than an arts degree&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bobdenton</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/20/hide-the-decline-ii/#comment-228729</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobdenton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve gets a mention in the Statement of Claim:
 
Para 30 (e) 
Steve McIntyre was not/not “the man who broke Mr. Weaver’s hockey stick.”
-----(----- he doesn’t own one, Mann does -----)------
Contrary  to repeated claims in The National Post, the Michael Mann “hockey stick” has not been discredited.

2 of his posts are also cited as repeat publications by a third party of the alleged defamation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve gets a mention in the Statement of Claim:</p>
<p>Para 30 (e)<br />
Steve McIntyre was not/not “the man who broke Mr. Weaver’s hockey stick.”<br />
&#8212;&#8211;(&#8212;&#8211; he doesn’t own one, Mann does &#8212;&#8211;)&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Contrary  to repeated claims in The National Post, the Michael Mann “hockey stick” has not been discredited.</p>
<p>2 of his posts are also cited as repeat publications by a third party of the alleged defamation.</p>
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