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	<title>Comments on: East Anglia Covers Up Their Trick on Channel Four</title>
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		<title>By: Muir Russell &#8211; what I&#8217;ll be looking for &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-234285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Muir Russell &#8211; what I&#8217;ll be looking for &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Briffa denies that there was a violation of IPCC rules &#8211; see CA discussion here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Briffa denies that there was a violation of IPCC rules &#8211; see CA discussion here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: D. Patterson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-232603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Patterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 06:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lowellgate&quot; occurred on 18 September 1972 when Cameron Kerry and Thomas Vallely were arrested at 1:40AM by the Lowell, Massachusetts police department on charges of breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny in an attempt to cut the the telephone lines of John Kerry&#039;s political opponent, DiFruscia. The MSM (mainstream news media) maintained silence on that news story then and again during John Kerry&#039;s presidential campaign. Watergate was afforded the greatest possible news coverage. Lowellgate, previous such illicit activities, and Climategate have been afforded not so much news coverage. Such disparate treatment in both jurisdictions, British and American, merits close attention by anyone concerned about the treatment of free speech for the purposes of science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lowellgate&#8221; occurred on 18 September 1972 when Cameron Kerry and Thomas Vallely were arrested at 1:40AM by the Lowell, Massachusetts police department on charges of breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny in an attempt to cut the the telephone lines of John Kerry&#8217;s political opponent, DiFruscia. The MSM (mainstream news media) maintained silence on that news story then and again during John Kerry&#8217;s presidential campaign. Watergate was afforded the greatest possible news coverage. Lowellgate, previous such illicit activities, and Climategate have been afforded not so much news coverage. Such disparate treatment in both jurisdictions, British and American, merits close attention by anyone concerned about the treatment of free speech for the purposes of science.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-231524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The public do not understand and do not care about obscure e-mails from long ago.&quot;

Good point, Toby!  Maybe we should move this discussion to a specialist blog?  One targeted at people who understand and care about the IPCC process and the science behind it.  Maybe ... uhm ... climateaudit.org?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The public do not understand and do not care about obscure e-mails from long ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point, Toby!  Maybe we should move this discussion to a specialist blog?  One targeted at people who understand and care about the IPCC process and the science behind it.  Maybe &#8230; uhm &#8230; climateaudit.org?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-231488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As far as I can tell from the rules you quote and Overpeck´s email there is nothing that says you cannot ask anyone for advice.&quot;

The flaw in this argument is that it &#039;proves too much&#039;.  If sending a draft out to a non-reviewer to review is just asking for &quot;advice&quot; and getting comments back which may have been incorporated into the final text is the same as incorporating an unsolicited correction from a scientis at conference, what exactly, in your interpretation, does the rule prevent?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As far as I can tell from the rules you quote and Overpeck´s email there is nothing that says you cannot ask anyone for advice.&#8221;</p>
<p>The flaw in this argument is that it &#8216;proves too much&#8217;.  If sending a draft out to a non-reviewer to review is just asking for &#8220;advice&#8221; and getting comments back which may have been incorporated into the final text is the same as incorporating an unsolicited correction from a scientis at conference, what exactly, in your interpretation, does the rule prevent?</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-231403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I see nothing edifying in it for anyone.&quot;

Edify - To instruct especially so as to encourage intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement.

I think it&#039;s pretty difficult to ignore that the whole discussion is aimed at encouraging intellectual improvement.

&quot;The public do not understand and do not care about obscure e-mails from long ago.&quot;

The public doesn&#039;t understand or care about much of science - they tend to leave it to the integrity of scientists and the scientific method, and don&#039;t loose sleep over either the process or results.  Luckily, importance is not determined by &quot;the public&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I see nothing edifying in it for anyone.&#8221;</p>
<p>Edify &#8211; To instruct especially so as to encourage intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty difficult to ignore that the whole discussion is aimed at encouraging intellectual improvement.</p>
<p>&#8220;The public do not understand and do not care about obscure e-mails from long ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>The public doesn&#8217;t understand or care about much of science &#8211; they tend to leave it to the integrity of scientists and the scientific method, and don&#8217;t loose sleep over either the process or results.  Luckily, importance is not determined by &#8220;the public&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob H</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-231398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assume you will send the contents of this blog to Channel 4 and ask for a response?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume you will send the contents of this blog to Channel 4 and ask for a response?</p>
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		<title>By: Top Posts &#8212; WordPress.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 00:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  East Anglia Covers Up Their Trick on Channel Four  Yesterday, I reported that the University of East Anglia had refused to release attachments to Climategate emails, [...] [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  East Anglia Covers Up Their Trick on Channel Four  Yesterday, I reported that the University of East Anglia had refused to release attachments to Climategate emails, [...] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Shannon</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-231179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Shannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toby,

You are entitled to your own opinion but it&#039;s clear that you haven&#039;t been following this whole saga from the start as many others who visit here (including myself) have been doing almost from the start.

May I suggest you purchase and read Andrew Montford&#039;s book &#039;The Hockey Stick Illusion&#039; and you&#039;ll then understand why what is being discussed here is far from a &#039;sideshow&#039; and why the CRU email&#039;s are far from &#039;obscure&#039;.

Have you actually read any of CRU emails?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby,</p>
<p>You are entitled to your own opinion but it&#8217;s clear that you haven&#8217;t been following this whole saga from the start as many others who visit here (including myself) have been doing almost from the start.</p>
<p>May I suggest you purchase and read Andrew Montford&#8217;s book &#8216;The Hockey Stick Illusion&#8217; and you&#8217;ll then understand why what is being discussed here is far from a &#8216;sideshow&#8217; and why the CRU email&#8217;s are far from &#8216;obscure&#8217;.</p>
<p>Have you actually read any of CRU emails?</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Huggett</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-231140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart Huggett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would completely agree with you if there were no consequences - but there are - gigantic, financial ones - and these the public DOES care about. The &#039;sideshow&#039; therefore becomes edifying for those who go to the enormous trouble of deciphering the activities of those behind these obscure emails from long ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would completely agree with you if there were no consequences &#8211; but there are &#8211; gigantic, financial ones &#8211; and these the public DOES care about. The &#8216;sideshow&#8217; therefore becomes edifying for those who go to the enormous trouble of deciphering the activities of those behind these obscure emails from long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: SimonH</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/03/east-anglia-covers-up-their-trick-on-channel-four/#comment-231139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SimonH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 11:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Rhoda R. I don&#039;t see any evidence in the CRU files that anyone at that institution has a sense of right and wrong, integrity or decency. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Rhoda R. I don&#8217;t see any evidence in the CRU files that anyone at that institution has a sense of right and wrong, integrity or decency. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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