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	<title>Comments on: Penn State Report Released</title>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234701</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bingo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hiding the decline&quot; was not &quot;sloppy work&quot;. Tricks are &quot;clever solutions&quot; to complex problems. There is no slop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hiding the decline&#8221; was not &#8220;sloppy work&#8221;. Tricks are &#8220;clever solutions&#8221; to complex problems. There is no slop.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulf</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Peter Pearson:
&quot;Are you attempting to dispute the assertion that FORTRAN-77 is portable[...]?&quot;

Apologies - I thought I clearly indicated (e.g. by starting with &quot;indeed&quot;) support for the notion that Fortran-77 is portable. Later versions of Fortran are a bit less so, if you make extensive use of project-related extensions, which are not supported equally in all environments.

Actually, I was trying to make two points: (1) Fortran-77 is considered eminently portable, and (2) you don&#039;t even have to be a programmer to easily check this claim; google will serve you the answer in no time at all. One could argue that an investigation that doesn&#039;t bother to do even that level of fact checking loses a bit of credibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter Pearson:<br />
&#8220;Are you attempting to dispute the assertion that FORTRAN-77 is portable[...]?&#8221;</p>
<p>Apologies &#8211; I thought I clearly indicated (e.g. by starting with &#8220;indeed&#8221;) support for the notion that Fortran-77 is portable. Later versions of Fortran are a bit less so, if you make extensive use of project-related extensions, which are not supported equally in all environments.</p>
<p>Actually, I was trying to make two points: (1) Fortran-77 is considered eminently portable, and (2) you don&#8217;t even have to be a programmer to easily check this claim; google will serve you the answer in no time at all. One could argue that an investigation that doesn&#8217;t bother to do even that level of fact checking loses a bit of credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: jallen</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234218</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether they were stolen or leaked is relevant only to the individuals involved, not the issues.

They are the residual emails of a batch which had already been *sanitized* from the CRU systems, in order to illegally prepare an incomplete response to FOIA request.  

Theory: These are deleted emails from a sanitized batch which were foolishly or purposely archived and/or discovered by an insider or whistleblower (perhaps the sanitizer himself).  The insider then had pangs of conscience or an axe to grind and released them surreptitiously.  

If it was an insider, the &quot;victim&quot; (CRU), does not want him uncovered, for he knows too much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether they were stolen or leaked is relevant only to the individuals involved, not the issues.</p>
<p>They are the residual emails of a batch which had already been *sanitized* from the CRU systems, in order to illegally prepare an incomplete response to FOIA request.  </p>
<p>Theory: These are deleted emails from a sanitized batch which were foolishly or purposely archived and/or discovered by an insider or whistleblower (perhaps the sanitizer himself).  The insider then had pangs of conscience or an axe to grind and released them surreptitiously.  </p>
<p>If it was an insider, the &#8220;victim&#8221; (CRU), does not want him uncovered, for he knows too much.</p>
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		<title>By: CRS, DrPH</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CRS, DrPH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I am quite amazed at the vitriol being posted on RC blog in articles pertaining to the Penn State report.  Here&#039;s a real doozy:

“It is time scientists realised that they are in a war. There are no rules in love and war. The sceptics know that. So long as they can get away with their lies and false accusations scot-free, then the battle for the future of the planet will be lost.”

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/penn-state-reports/

...as an award-winning scientist with international reputation, I find this language to be repellent in the extreme!  Scientists serve humanity, not the other way around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I am quite amazed at the vitriol being posted on RC blog in articles pertaining to the Penn State report.  Here&#8217;s a real doozy:</p>
<p>“It is time scientists realised that they are in a war. There are no rules in love and war. The sceptics know that. So long as they can get away with their lies and false accusations scot-free, then the battle for the future of the planet will be lost.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/penn-state-reports/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/penn-state-reports/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;as an award-winning scientist with international reputation, I find this language to be repellent in the extreme!  Scientists serve humanity, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: "Det här är inte rådatan ni letar efter"</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234204</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA["Det här är inte rådatan ni letar efter"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] den ökända och flerfaldigt falsifierade &#8220;hockeyklubban&#8221; &#8211; Michael Mann &#8211; friats från anklagelser om fusk av sitt universitet Penn State (som gissningsvis helst behåller en av [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] den ökända och flerfaldigt falsifierade &#8220;hockeyklubban&#8221; &#8211; Michael Mann &#8211; friats från anklagelser om fusk av sitt universitet Penn State (som gissningsvis helst behåller en av [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zipperfish</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234199</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zipperfish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t think they know his side of the story?  It&#039;s right here in in full colour every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t think they know his side of the story?  It&#8217;s right here in in full colour every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Zipperfish</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zipperfish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the giggle!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the giggle!</p>
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		<title>By: The unbearable arrogance of activist-advocates (aka climate scientists) &#171; The View From Here</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The unbearable arrogance of activist-advocates (aka climate scientists) &#171; The View From Here]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not unexpected) developments, a few days ago, Penn State released the final results of its &#8220;enquiry&#8221; into Michael Mann&#8217;s &#8220;alleged misconduct&#8221;. About the best that can be said [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not unexpected) developments, a few days ago, Penn State released the final results of its &#8220;enquiry&#8221; into Michael Mann&#8217;s &#8220;alleged misconduct&#8221;. About the best that can be said [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Atomic Hairdryer</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/07/01/penn-state-report-released/#comment-234167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Atomic Hairdryer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tpf, you may also want to look at s43(G)-

(2) The conditions referred to in subsection (1)(d) are—

(a) that, at the time he makes the disclosure, the worker reasonably believes that he will be subjected to a detriment by his employer if he makes a disclosure to his employer or in accordance with section 43F,

(b) that, in a case where no person is prescribed for the purposes of section 43F in relation to the relevant failure, the worker reasonably believes that it is likely that evidence relating to the relevant failure will be concealed or destroyed if he makes a disclosure to his employer, or

(c) that the worker has previously made a disclosure of substantially the same information—

(i) to his employer, or

(ii) in accordance with section 43F

So assume that FOIA was a CRU insider, tasked with collecting information to support the 105 FOI requests we know about. Collection would be legal as they were had the authority to do so. If CRU/UEA refused to release the FOI data, I think 43(G) would apply. Don&#039;t forget we also had statements from the ICO that they would have prosecuted if not for being statute barred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tpf, you may also want to look at s43(G)-</p>
<p>(2) The conditions referred to in subsection (1)(d) are—</p>
<p>(a) that, at the time he makes the disclosure, the worker reasonably believes that he will be subjected to a detriment by his employer if he makes a disclosure to his employer or in accordance with section 43F,</p>
<p>(b) that, in a case where no person is prescribed for the purposes of section 43F in relation to the relevant failure, the worker reasonably believes that it is likely that evidence relating to the relevant failure will be concealed or destroyed if he makes a disclosure to his employer, or</p>
<p>(c) that the worker has previously made a disclosure of substantially the same information—</p>
<p>(i) to his employer, or</p>
<p>(ii) in accordance with section 43F</p>
<p>So assume that FOIA was a CRU insider, tasked with collecting information to support the 105 FOI requests we know about. Collection would be legal as they were had the authority to do so. If CRU/UEA refused to release the FOI data, I think 43(G) would apply. Don&#8217;t forget we also had statements from the ICO that they would have prosecuted if not for being statute barred.</p>
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