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	<title>Comments on: ICOADS &#8211; Hawaii</title>
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		<title>By: JustPassing</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240819</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see Steve is on BBC 4

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tmjb8

In a special Radio 4 series the BBC&#039;s Environmental Analyst Roger Harrabin questions whether his own reporting - and that of others - has adequately told the whole story about global warming.

Roger Harrabin has reported on the climate for almost thirty years off and on, but last November while working on the &quot;Climategate&quot; emails story, he was prompted to look again at the basics of climate science.

He finds that the public under-estimate the degree of consensus among scientists that humans have already contributed towards the heating of the climate , and will almost certainly heat the climate more.

But he also finds that politicians and the media often fail to convey the huge uncertainty over the extent of future climate change. Whilst the great majority of scientists fear that computer models suggest we are facing potentially catastrophic warming, some climate scientists think the warming will be restricted to a tolerable 1C or 1.5C.

At this crucial moment in global climate policy making, Harrabin talks to seminal characters in the climate change debate including Tony Blair, Lord Lawson, Professor Bob Watson, former diplomat Sir Crispin Tickell and the influential blogger Steve McIntyre.

And he asks how political leaders make decisions on the basis of uncertain science.

Producer: Daniel Tetlow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Steve is on BBC 4</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tmjb8" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tmjb8</a></p>
<p>In a special Radio 4 series the BBC&#8217;s Environmental Analyst Roger Harrabin questions whether his own reporting &#8211; and that of others &#8211; has adequately told the whole story about global warming.</p>
<p>Roger Harrabin has reported on the climate for almost thirty years off and on, but last November while working on the &#8220;Climategate&#8221; emails story, he was prompted to look again at the basics of climate science.</p>
<p>He finds that the public under-estimate the degree of consensus among scientists that humans have already contributed towards the heating of the climate , and will almost certainly heat the climate more.</p>
<p>But he also finds that politicians and the media often fail to convey the huge uncertainty over the extent of future climate change. Whilst the great majority of scientists fear that computer models suggest we are facing potentially catastrophic warming, some climate scientists think the warming will be restricted to a tolerable 1C or 1.5C.</p>
<p>At this crucial moment in global climate policy making, Harrabin talks to seminal characters in the climate change debate including Tony Blair, Lord Lawson, Professor Bob Watson, former diplomat Sir Crispin Tickell and the influential blogger Steve McIntyre.</p>
<p>And he asks how political leaders make decisions on the basis of uncertain science.</p>
<p>Producer: Daniel Tetlow.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240799</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find myself wondering, are the &quot;ship&quot; measurements really lower than the buoy, nodc and autodin measurements, or are the ship measurements just predominantly from earlier, colder years.

It would be interesting to see a spaghetti graph of the 4 groups of measurements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself wondering, are the &#8220;ship&#8221; measurements really lower than the buoy, nodc and autodin measurements, or are the ship measurements just predominantly from earlier, colder years.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see a spaghetti graph of the 4 groups of measurements.</p>
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		<title>By: JRR Canada</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JRR Canada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with John from Oz.The sciency proclamations from the team and vicious attacks on Steve are reflective of a deliberate missunderstanding of science and the scientific method. If your expertise and command of a topic, boils down to, trust me I&#039;m a scientist.No you can&#039;t see the data. Adjustments are none of your business. Steve&#039;s mild sarcasms show remarkable restraint and character. If you cannot explain your area of expertise to a layman, you are not an expert. The failure to communicate the methods and data massages by team IPCC has left them exposed as anything but competent.As to the sea temps,I look forward to an independant reveiw.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John from Oz.The sciency proclamations from the team and vicious attacks on Steve are reflective of a deliberate missunderstanding of science and the scientific method. If your expertise and command of a topic, boils down to, trust me I&#8217;m a scientist.No you can&#8217;t see the data. Adjustments are none of your business. Steve&#8217;s mild sarcasms show remarkable restraint and character. If you cannot explain your area of expertise to a layman, you are not an expert. The failure to communicate the methods and data massages by team IPCC has left them exposed as anything but competent.As to the sea temps,I look forward to an independant reveiw.</p>
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		<title>By: ArndB</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240784</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ArndB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[„Sweet spot“ was presumably meant ironic, but together with nearby OBS the matter gets serious, that is the reason why WUWT mentioned the discrepancy repeatedly. But on preliminary consideration of  OBS Oahu station measurements during and after WWII, see here: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/honolulu-observatory-giss-station-plot.gif?w=510&amp;h=393  it seems a bit to simple to assume faulty equipment without proof, for which the graphic provides no indication.  
Due to the huge presence and activities of the US Navy close to OBS during the 1940s and 1950s it is presumably one of the rare opportunities to investigate an human impact with clear parameter, and it could serve as a unique chance to get GW advocates sweating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>„Sweet spot“ was presumably meant ironic, but together with nearby OBS the matter gets serious, that is the reason why WUWT mentioned the discrepancy repeatedly. But on preliminary consideration of  OBS Oahu station measurements during and after WWII, see here: <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/honolulu-observatory-giss-station-plot.gif?w=510&#038;h=393" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/honolulu-observatory-giss-station-plot.gif?w=510&#038;h=393</a>  it seems a bit to simple to assume faulty equipment without proof, for which the graphic provides no indication.<br />
Due to the huge presence and activities of the US Navy close to OBS during the 1940s and 1950s it is presumably one of the rare opportunities to investigate an human impact with clear parameter, and it could serve as a unique chance to get GW advocates sweating.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 06:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought he was being ironic, almost mocking. Airports have lots of special characteristics, and it would depend greatly on WHERE in the grounds the station was located.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought he was being ironic, almost mocking. Airports have lots of special characteristics, and it would depend greatly on WHERE in the grounds the station was located.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dardinger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Dardinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-240762&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave Dardinger (Sep 4 19:05)&lt;/a&gt;, 

Yep, works fine.  I&#039;m not sure if the line of gadgets appears without Mr. Pete&#039;s CA asst or not, but it definitely does with it.  You just copy whatever the actual link is, then type in whatever you want to actually show up, highlight it, click the link icon and then paste the actual link in.  Works fine.  Tinyurl is overkill, IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-240762" rel="nofollow">Dave Dardinger (Sep 4 19:05)</a>, </p>
<p>Yep, works fine.  I&#8217;m not sure if the line of gadgets appears without Mr. Pete&#8217;s CA asst or not, but it definitely does with it.  You just copy whatever the actual link is, then type in whatever you want to actually show up, highlight it, click the link icon and then paste the actual link in.  Works fine.  Tinyurl is overkill, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan White</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 23:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go to www.tinyurl.com and follow the instructions.  Works like magic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to <a href="http://www.tinyurl.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tinyurl.com</a> and follow the instructions.  Works like magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to say it&#039;s also famous for bougainvillea, but it ain&#039;t: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bougainvillea]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to say it&#8217;s also famous for bougainvillea, but it ain&#8217;t: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bougainvillea" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bougainvillea</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s within his rights to remind SMc that there are outstanding issues on another post. That is the sole point on which his comment can be judged valid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, no. None of us have any rights here except those the blog owner allows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He’s within his rights to remind SMc that there are outstanding issues on another post. That is the sole point on which his comment can be judged valid.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, no. None of us have any rights here except those the blog owner allows.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/01/icoads-hawaii/#comment-240757</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops! My own e.g., there! I thought I typed solecisms. 8-/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! My own e.g., there! I thought I typed solecisms. 8-/</p>
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