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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 02:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve&gt;

I didn&#039;t mean to take issue with anything other than your (probably rhetorical) question &quot;Why would she type up a list prepared by Peter Liss or the Royal Society?&quot;

I was just clarifying for the benefit of less it-literate readers that the assumption underlying a literal interpretation of your words would be contraindicated. 

I entirely agree that Ms Williams should (be able to) assist you with this query.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&gt;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to take issue with anything other than your (probably rhetorical) question &#8220;Why would she type up a list prepared by Peter Liss or the Royal Society?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was just clarifying for the benefit of less it-literate readers that the assumption underlying a literal interpretation of your words would be contraindicated. </p>
<p>I entirely agree that Ms Williams should (be able to) assist you with this query.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A technical note:

&quot;In addition, inspection of the author properties of the list version sent to panelists shows Lisa Williams as the author. Why would she type up a list prepared by Peter Liss or the Royal Society?&quot;

It&#039;s far more likely than the layman might think for someone to be the &#039;author&#039; of a Word document they didn&#039;t write. Because of the way Outlook and Word integrate, something like saving an email as a document can put your name on it. Similarly, since Word is quite free and easy about slapping your name on documents, if you get an email, and copy&amp;paste part of it to a Word document to save, or even just convert from another format, you can end up as the author.

I wouldn&#039;t read much into it, other than that the text has at some point passed through Lisa&#039;s computer.

&lt;strong&gt;Steve &lt;/strong&gt;-   As others have observed, the fact that Lisa Williams name is on the document means at least that she handled it and can resolve the small mystery of &lt;strong&gt;who&lt;/strong&gt; made the list.  Given the total uninformativeness of Oxburgh and the Royal Society on the matter, please do not underestimate the value of such clues. Perhaps it was really Phil Jones or Trevor Davies or Peter Liss or John Beddington - but right now Lisa Williams is the person who can identify. 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A technical note:</p>
<p>&#8220;In addition, inspection of the author properties of the list version sent to panelists shows Lisa Williams as the author. Why would she type up a list prepared by Peter Liss or the Royal Society?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s far more likely than the layman might think for someone to be the &#8216;author&#8217; of a Word document they didn&#8217;t write. Because of the way Outlook and Word integrate, something like saving an email as a document can put your name on it. Similarly, since Word is quite free and easy about slapping your name on documents, if you get an email, and copy&amp;paste part of it to a Word document to save, or even just convert from another format, you can end up as the author.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t read much into it, other than that the text has at some point passed through Lisa&#8217;s computer.</p>
<p><strong>Steve </strong>-   As others have observed, the fact that Lisa Williams name is on the document means at least that she handled it and can resolve the small mystery of <strong>who</strong> made the list.  Given the total uninformativeness of Oxburgh and the Royal Society on the matter, please do not underestimate the value of such clues. Perhaps it was really Phil Jones or Trevor Davies or Peter Liss or John Beddington &#8211; but right now Lisa Williams is the person who can identify. </p>
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		<title>By: Irs Tax Audit Assistant. &#124; irs garnishment</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irs Tax Audit Assistant. &#124; irs garnishment]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 07:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hro001</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hro001]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oxburgh&#039;s excuse is that [whether the list was &#039;representative&#039; or &#039;fair sample&#039;] doesn&#039;t &#039;matter&#039;.

This is a continuation, is it not, of an historical - and rather consistent pattern of response - whenever &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; questions are raised about this particular group of scientists and/or their work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxburgh&#8217;s excuse is that [whether the list was 'representative' or 'fair sample'] doesn&#8217;t &#8216;matter&#8217;.</p>
<p>This is a continuation, is it not, of an historical &#8211; and rather consistent pattern of response &#8211; whenever <em>any</em> questions are raised about this particular group of scientists and/or their work.</p>
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		<title>By: JCM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JCM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No surprise here. The brain drain from the UK  started in the 1950s and continued for several decades. Oxburgh et al are about all that is left after the best left. The country is bankrupt in many ways.
The committee hearings are not treated seriously by any participant and the MPs do not appear eager to press the point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise here. The brain drain from the UK  started in the 1950s and continued for several decades. Oxburgh et al are about all that is left after the best left. The country is bankrupt in many ways.<br />
The committee hearings are not treated seriously by any participant and the MPs do not appear eager to press the point.</p>
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		<title>By: philh</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[philh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My guess is that the list was drawn up by the inner circle at UEA.  Who else would know how to pick the non-controversial papers?  They knew that Oxburgh and the panel wouldn&#039;t have a clue as to the relative unimportance of the selected papers.  Oxburgh probably suspects this is what was happening and from the outset realized this was going to be a problem and determined to brazen it through with RS ploy.that has backfired and now he is caught between a rock and a hard place and can only hope it just goes away. This whole thing was a set-up from beginning to end.
It will be interesting to see what the Bishop has to say next week and watch how it is &quot;covered.&quot;Most likely with you know what.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that the list was drawn up by the inner circle at UEA.  Who else would know how to pick the non-controversial papers?  They knew that Oxburgh and the panel wouldn&#8217;t have a clue as to the relative unimportance of the selected papers.  Oxburgh probably suspects this is what was happening and from the outset realized this was going to be a problem and determined to brazen it through with RS ploy.that has backfired and now he is caught between a rock and a hard place and can only hope it just goes away. This whole thing was a set-up from beginning to end.<br />
It will be interesting to see what the Bishop has to say next week and watch how it is &#8220;covered.&#8221;Most likely with you know what.</p>
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		<title>By: mpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mpaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is interesting:

&quot;JCF – For example Keith Briffa took home emails that were subject to FOI to ensure their safekeeping.&quot;

I wonder what the filename was of the stuff that Keith took home?  What would someone call a txt file that contained info subject to FOIA?  FOIA.txt perhaps?  Too bad Russell didn&#039;t ask this obvious question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting:</p>
<p>&#8220;JCF – For example Keith Briffa took home emails that were subject to FOI to ensure their safekeeping.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder what the filename was of the stuff that Keith took home?  What would someone call a txt file that contained info subject to FOIA?  FOIA.txt perhaps?  Too bad Russell didn&#8217;t ask this obvious question.</p>
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		<title>By: mpaul</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mpaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that Stringer was well informed going in to the session and, like any good lawyer, knew the answers to his questions before he asked them.  If Stringer did not intend to pursue this, he would not have asked incendiary questions.  

I think the committee with recall Acton and will then call for a new investigation that is truly independent.  This new investigation will not have a sock puppet for the UEA as its chairman.  I&#039;d like to see SMc as a member of the new panel.  Maybe make Shapiro the chairman this time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that Stringer was well informed going in to the session and, like any good lawyer, knew the answers to his questions before he asked them.  If Stringer did not intend to pursue this, he would not have asked incendiary questions.  </p>
<p>I think the committee with recall Acton and will then call for a new investigation that is truly independent.  This new investigation will not have a sock puppet for the UEA as its chairman.  I&#8217;d like to see SMc as a member of the new panel.  Maybe make Shapiro the chairman this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Shallow Climate</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shallow Climate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron Cram:  Right on the money.  Appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Cram:  Right on the money.  Appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: thefordprefect</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/09/who-made-the-list/#comment-241085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefordprefect]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[snip - off topic]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snip &#8211; off topic</p>
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