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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241795</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[curious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Transcript available here:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/uc444-i/uc44401.htm

UNCORRECTED TRANSCRIPT OF ORAL EVIDENCE
To be published as HC 444-i
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE
Reviews into the Climatic Research Unit&#039;s E-mails at the university of East Anglia
Wednesday 8 September 2010
Lord Oxburgh
Evidence heard in Public Questions 1-50
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transcript available here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/uc444-i/uc44401.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/uc444-i/uc44401.htm</a></p>
<p>UNCORRECTED TRANSCRIPT OF ORAL EVIDENCE<br />
To be published as HC 444-i<br />
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE<br />
Reviews into the Climatic Research Unit&#8217;s E-mails at the university of East Anglia<br />
Wednesday 8 September 2010<br />
Lord Oxburgh<br />
Evidence heard in Public Questions 1-50<br />
USE OF THE TRANSCRIPT</p>
<p>1.</p>
<p>This is an uncorrected transcript of evidence taken in public and reported to the House. The transcript has been placed on the internet on the authority of the Committee, and copies have been made available by the Vote Office for the use of Members and others.</p>
<p>2.</p>
<p>Any public use of, or reference to, the contents should make clear that neither witnesses nor Members have had the opportunity to correct the record. The transcript is not yet an approved formal record of these proceedings.</p>
<p>3.</p>
<p>Members who receive this for the purpose of correcting questions addressed by them to witnesses are asked to send corrections to the Committee Assistant.</p>
<p>4.</p>
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		<title>By: asmilwho</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[asmilwho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. &quot;

The question really should be, George Steiner, what are YOU going to do about it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. &#8221;</p>
<p>The question really should be, George Steiner, what are YOU going to do about it?</p>
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		<title>By: mrsean2k</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrsean2k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-241228&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve McIntyre (Sep 12 09:19)&lt;/a&gt;, 

I understand the very specific point you make WRT the UEA&#039;s undue self-satisfaction. I don&#039;t have any opinion on whether it was deliberate or inadvertent in the first place.

My response was more of a general reaction to @martyn&#039;s apparent despair over the course of events. I think that&#039;s an overly pessimistic view. And an accurate representation of events is a requirement if you find yourself in a position to ask someone suitably placed to escalate a specific issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-241228" rel="nofollow">Steve McIntyre (Sep 12 09:19)</a>, </p>
<p>I understand the very specific point you make WRT the UEA&#8217;s undue self-satisfaction. I don&#8217;t have any opinion on whether it was deliberate or inadvertent in the first place.</p>
<p>My response was more of a general reaction to @martyn&#8217;s apparent despair over the course of events. I think that&#8217;s an overly pessimistic view. And an accurate representation of events is a requirement if you find yourself in a position to ask someone suitably placed to escalate a specific issue.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnkat</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kuhnkat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martyn is responding to a post of mine that appears to have disappeared.

Steve McIntyre, any idea what happened to my comment??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martyn is responding to a post of mine that appears to have disappeared.</p>
<p>Steve McIntyre, any idea what happened to my comment??</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t really matter whether the mistake was intentional or not. The real problem was Muir Russell&#039;s blindness to the subject lines of the emails - whether 08-31 was listed in the UEA list was immaterial to the Muir Russell blindness.

Also, given the prominence of the issue and the unfailing courteousness of FOI Officer Palmer,  my personal view is that the omission was, as Palmer says, inadvertent.  It would make no sense for him to do something like that.  I see no reason for readers to speculate otherwise and ask that you do not do so.

My point was not that the omission should make it impossible for the university to take any satisfaction in such a flawed finding, rather than &#039;welcoming&quot; it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter whether the mistake was intentional or not. The real problem was Muir Russell&#8217;s blindness to the subject lines of the emails &#8211; whether 08-31 was listed in the UEA list was immaterial to the Muir Russell blindness.</p>
<p>Also, given the prominence of the issue and the unfailing courteousness of FOI Officer Palmer,  my personal view is that the omission was, as Palmer says, inadvertent.  It would make no sense for him to do something like that.  I see no reason for readers to speculate otherwise and ask that you do not do so.</p>
<p>My point was not that the omission should make it impossible for the university to take any satisfaction in such a flawed finding, rather than &#8216;welcoming&#8221; it.</p>
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		<title>By: mrsean2k</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrsean2k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 13:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-241133&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;martyn (Sep 10 18:31)&lt;/a&gt;, Just to be clear, he may think that nobody can do anything about it. But just because he thinks that&#039;s the case, doesn&#039;t make it so.

I&#039;ve had little opportunity to exploit the evidence Steve records here so diligently so far, but being aware it&#039;s here is the first step if that opportunity occurs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-241133" rel="nofollow">martyn (Sep 10 18:31)</a>, Just to be clear, he may think that nobody can do anything about it. But just because he thinks that&#8217;s the case, doesn&#8217;t make it so.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had little opportunity to exploit the evidence Steve records here so diligently so far, but being aware it&#8217;s here is the first step if that opportunity occurs.</p>
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		<title>By: martyn</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[martyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I hope I have over estimated the power of the clique in our ruling establishment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I hope I have over estimated the power of the clique in our ruling establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He underestimates the power of the Mc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He underestimates the power of the Mc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241205</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe Liddy acquired the FOI2009 file...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Liddy acquired the FOI2009 file&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan H</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/10/more-oxburgh-misrepresentations/#comment-241203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brendan H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Steve: you’re making a distinction without a difference. Oxburgh said that Graumlich did “traditional” dendro i.e. for archaeological applications, while CRU did something “different” – interpreted tree rings for climate.&quot;

I&#039;m simply comparing the statements in the post above. Oxburgh said that Graumlich had not used tree rings &quot;in the same way&quot; as CRU used them.

That might refer to use in another discipline. It might also refer to different methods within the same discipline.

As for context, Oxburgh&#039;s comment about the traditional use of tree rings in archaeology could well be the context for the sentence that immediately follows: &quot;What the CRU did was to tried to interpret characteristics in terms of climate...&quot;

That is, Oxburgh is contrasting the traditional use of tree-ring chronology with its use in climate research.

Presumably, Oxburgh was familiar with Graumlich&#039;s CV, which would make my interpretation more plausible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Steve: you’re making a distinction without a difference. Oxburgh said that Graumlich did “traditional” dendro i.e. for archaeological applications, while CRU did something “different” – interpreted tree rings for climate.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m simply comparing the statements in the post above. Oxburgh said that Graumlich had not used tree rings &#8220;in the same way&#8221; as CRU used them.</p>
<p>That might refer to use in another discipline. It might also refer to different methods within the same discipline.</p>
<p>As for context, Oxburgh&#8217;s comment about the traditional use of tree rings in archaeology could well be the context for the sentence that immediately follows: &#8220;What the CRU did was to tried to interpret characteristics in terms of climate&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That is, Oxburgh is contrasting the traditional use of tree-ring chronology with its use in climate research.</p>
<p>Presumably, Oxburgh was familiar with Graumlich&#8217;s CV, which would make my interpretation more plausible.</p>
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