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		<title>By: Fukushima: the battle continues &#124; Digging in the Clay</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-258598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fukushima: the battle continues &#124; Digging in the Clay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a review and the appointee will be his choice.  So &#8211; the question is &#8211; who will it be? Perhaps he can ask pal Lord Oxburgh to play another [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a review and the appointee will be his choice.  So &#8211; the question is &#8211; who will it be? Perhaps he can ask pal Lord Oxburgh to play another [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Coles</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Coles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington is right. Any Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS) who was sufficiently determined and well-briefed could secure answers to the RS-relevant questions simply by asking them.  If an exchange of letters failed to extract the answers, then the questions could just be repeated at one of the regular minuted meetings of Fellows (e.g., a Council meeting). Under those circumstances, answers could not be refused (other FRSs present would not stand for it). So -- does the readership of CA include anyone who knows an FRS sufficiently well that they could suggest this to him or her? The FRS does not need to be a sceptic -- they just need to care about the reputation of the society that elected them to a fellowship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff Sherrington is right. Any Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS) who was sufficiently determined and well-briefed could secure answers to the RS-relevant questions simply by asking them.  If an exchange of letters failed to extract the answers, then the questions could just be repeated at one of the regular minuted meetings of Fellows (e.g., a Council meeting). Under those circumstances, answers could not be refused (other FRSs present would not stand for it). So &#8212; does the readership of CA include anyone who knows an FRS sufficiently well that they could suggest this to him or her? The FRS does not need to be a sceptic &#8212; they just need to care about the reputation of the society that elected them to a fellowship.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oxburgh&#039;s reaction to the Jones comment - shown below - says a lot about were he stands on the climate issues and his potential biases about them.  He testifies at some length that he looked up the word &quot;trick&quot; in the Oxford dictionary, I believe, and found one of several meanings that would make use of the word here seem to imply nothing deceptive was intended by Jones.  In doing so he completely ignored the context and the use of the words &quot;hide the decline&quot;.

“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”

In my view of Oxburgh&#039;s testimony, I would say that he was prompted and prepared by others, but that his delivery seems to be a bit vague and kind of like the unpreparted Sahara Palin performance with Katie Couric.  

Oxburgh did mention the problem of climate scientists not dealing better with the uncertainty of their findings.  I think that this is an area that is becoming a more widely established criticism of some climate scientists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxburgh&#8217;s reaction to the Jones comment &#8211; shown below &#8211; says a lot about were he stands on the climate issues and his potential biases about them.  He testifies at some length that he looked up the word &#8220;trick&#8221; in the Oxford dictionary, I believe, and found one of several meanings that would make use of the word here seem to imply nothing deceptive was intended by Jones.  In doing so he completely ignored the context and the use of the words &#8220;hide the decline&#8221;.</p>
<p>“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”</p>
<p>In my view of Oxburgh&#8217;s testimony, I would say that he was prompted and prepared by others, but that his delivery seems to be a bit vague and kind of like the unpreparted Sahara Palin performance with Katie Couric.  </p>
<p>Oxburgh did mention the problem of climate scientists not dealing better with the uncertainty of their findings.  I think that this is an area that is becoming a more widely established criticism of some climate scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Skywalker</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-241281&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kenneth Fritsch (Sep 12 18:19)&lt;/a&gt;, The Royal Society&#039;s own work on the pressing issue of Climate Science has been condescendingly thin, and blatantly activist. In 2007 they did a 12-page &lt;a href=&quot;/DOCUME~1/ADMINI~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/Climate_change_controversies_simpleguide.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pdf presentation&lt;/a&gt; on CC controversies, without references, supposedly answering 8 &quot;misleading arguments&quot;. This was well-hidden in their archives and though they promised us a new statement this summer it has not appeared. 

They did a joint 3-page pdf with NERC and the Met Office last November where they say the UK is &quot;at the forefront of tackling dangerous climate change&quot;. It includes the statement &lt;blockquote&gt;even since the last Assessment Report the scientific evidence for dangerous, long-term and potentially irreversible climate change has grown. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
They did a 2-page statement for Copenhagen last December called &quot;Preventing dangerous climate change&quot; which said 
&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no such thing as ‘safe’ climate change&lt;/blockquote&gt; and 
&lt;blockquote&gt;It is certain that GHG emissions from the burning of fossil fuels and from land use change lead to a warming of climate, and it is very likely that these GHGs are the dominant cause of the global warming that has been taking place over the last 50 years.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Bob Ward as recent PR man for the RS, together with the above, all suggests that the RS have abandoned Science for alarmist activism, at least until recently. Since all their work mentioned here draws on others to make sweeping statements (some of which we now know are false) without actually doing science, it seems of a piece that they would have to draw on expertise outside themselves for anything to do with expert pronouncements on UEA. And going on their record here, they would be incapable of evaluating the science that UEA did.

However, their promised new guide to climate change does include Michael Kelly as one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://royalsociety.org/Climate-Change/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;team of authors&lt;/a&gt;. If Kelly is given sufficient standing, this guide could turn the corner and actually return the RS to Science. Sure, the RS were caught with their pants down. But all these little well-aimed kicks from Steve and others could be having the desired effect - even if &quot;he who must not be named&quot; is never mentioned let alone thanked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-241281" rel="nofollow">Kenneth Fritsch (Sep 12 18:19)</a>, The Royal Society&#8217;s own work on the pressing issue of Climate Science has been condescendingly thin, and blatantly activist. In 2007 they did a 12-page <a href="/DOCUME~1/ADMINI~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/Climate_change_controversies_simpleguide.pdf" rel="nofollow">pdf presentation</a> on CC controversies, without references, supposedly answering 8 &#8220;misleading arguments&#8221;. This was well-hidden in their archives and though they promised us a new statement this summer it has not appeared. </p>
<p>They did a joint 3-page pdf with NERC and the Met Office last November where they say the UK is &#8220;at the forefront of tackling dangerous climate change&#8221;. It includes the statement<br />
<blockquote>even since the last Assessment Report the scientific evidence for dangerous, long-term and potentially irreversible climate change has grown. </p></blockquote>
<p>They did a 2-page statement for Copenhagen last December called &#8220;Preventing dangerous climate change&#8221; which said </p>
<blockquote><p>There is no such thing as ‘safe’ climate change</p></blockquote>
<p> and </p>
<blockquote><p>It is certain that GHG emissions from the burning of fossil fuels and from land use change lead to a warming of climate, and it is very likely that these GHGs are the dominant cause of the global warming that has been taking place over the last 50 years.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bob Ward as recent PR man for the RS, together with the above, all suggests that the RS have abandoned Science for alarmist activism, at least until recently. Since all their work mentioned here draws on others to make sweeping statements (some of which we now know are false) without actually doing science, it seems of a piece that they would have to draw on expertise outside themselves for anything to do with expert pronouncements on UEA. And going on their record here, they would be incapable of evaluating the science that UEA did.</p>
<p>However, their promised new guide to climate change does include Michael Kelly as one of the <a href="http://royalsociety.org/Climate-Change/" rel="nofollow">team of authors</a>. If Kelly is given sufficient standing, this guide could turn the corner and actually return the RS to Science. Sure, the RS were caught with their pants down. But all these little well-aimed kicks from Steve and others could be having the desired effect &#8211; even if &#8220;he who must not be named&#8221; is never mentioned let alone thanked.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dead right. Perhaps we need to go back further, to the writer that said &quot;Put not your trust in princes.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead right. Perhaps we need to go back further, to the writer that said &#8220;Put not your trust in princes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: stephen richards</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stephen richards]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Royal soc was just as political at that epoque, witness the Newton-Leibniz argument over calculus.  Leibniz complained to the RS and either didn&#039;t realise that Newton was president or thought he would get a fair hearing.  His complaint against Newton was rejected, of course, by Newton.  So no difference there then !!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Royal soc was just as political at that epoque, witness the Newton-Leibniz argument over calculus.  Leibniz complained to the RS and either didn&#8217;t realise that Newton was president or thought he would get a fair hearing.  His complaint against Newton was rejected, of course, by Newton.  So no difference there then !!</p>
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		<title>By: hro001</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hro001]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a somewhat related note, Andrew Montford&#039;s report &quot;The Climategate Inquiries&quot; is available at: 

http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/Climategate-Inquiries.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a somewhat related note, Andrew Montford&#8217;s report &#8220;The Climategate Inquiries&#8221; is available at: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/Climategate-Inquiries.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/Climategate-Inquiries.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ezhil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ezhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Failure to thank Beddington seems to be intentional...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failure to thank Beddington seems to be intentional&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Top Posts &#8212; WordPress.com</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Top Posts &#8212; WordPress.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Who Recommended Oxburgh? Who recommended Oxburgh to chair the Science Appraisal Panel? Who indeed? In their press statement announcing the [...] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: dougie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/09/12/who-recommended-oxburgh/#comment-241371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dougie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[exactly Kenneth

I&#039;m reading a book at present on the origins of the Royal Society - Hooke,Boyle,Wren etc.. (the greats of the scientific method).

they must be turning in their graves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly Kenneth</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading a book at present on the origins of the Royal Society &#8211; Hooke,Boyle,Wren etc.. (the greats of the scientific method).</p>
<p>they must be turning in their graves.</p>
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