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	<title>Comments on: Link to Muir Russell at SciTech</title>
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		<title>By: UEA and the Muir Russell Cooper Up &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-245754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UEA and the Muir Russell Cooper Up &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Muir Russell appeared before the Parliamentary Committee on Oct 26 at 9.20 am (UK time) &#8211; see link here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Muir Russell appeared before the Parliamentary Committee on Oct 26 at 9.20 am (UK time) &#8211; see link here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: oneuniverse</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oneuniverse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I happened to transcribe that part. Muri Russell&#039;s answer is bizzare. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
MP: 
One of the things that the previous comittee recommended was that these interviews took place in publlic. Why didn&#039;t you follow that recommendation? 

Muir Russell: 
Well, for the reason that I&#039;ve implied in what I said that what we wanted to do was to get the referenced scientific information down and findable, rather than having to rely on what people might say on the spur of the moment and having to go  through the whole process of writing it up, checking it, modifying it, and &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; going and finding the information.  That&#039;s a perfectly valid technique for lots of other things, but we thought that this was so scientific, so objective, so much rooted in the references to what people had actually done as scientists, and whether the things that were complained of had actually influenced what they had done as scientists, that you really had to get after it by going to the record, and this is was the way we chose to do it. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where Muir Russell says &quot;we thought that this  was so scientific, so objective&quot;, he is referring by &quot;this&quot; to his team&#039;s technique of writing up the interviews, as he&#039;d established, without apparently checking and correcting them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened to transcribe that part. Muri Russell&#8217;s answer is bizzare. </p>
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MP:<br />
One of the things that the previous comittee recommended was that these interviews took place in publlic. Why didn&#8217;t you follow that recommendation? </p>
<p>Muir Russell:<br />
Well, for the reason that I&#8217;ve implied in what I said that what we wanted to do was to get the referenced scientific information down and findable, rather than having to rely on what people might say on the spur of the moment and having to go  through the whole process of writing it up, checking it, modifying it, and <i>then</i> going and finding the information.  That&#8217;s a perfectly valid technique for lots of other things, but we thought that this was so scientific, so objective, so much rooted in the references to what people had actually done as scientists, and whether the things that were complained of had actually influenced what they had done as scientists, that you really had to get after it by going to the record, and this is was the way we chose to do it.
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<p>Where Muir Russell says &#8220;we thought that this  was so scientific, so objective&#8221;, he is referring by &#8220;this&#8221; to his team&#8217;s technique of writing up the interviews, as he&#8217;d established, without apparently checking and correcting them.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my submission to the Russell Inquiry I stated 3 times that the Terms proposed for the Oxburgh Inquiry were inadequate because police investigation was required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my submission to the Russell Inquiry I stated 3 times that the Terms proposed for the Oxburgh Inquiry were inadequate because police investigation was required.</p>
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		<title>By: theduke</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244385</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theduke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t get the video to run on Bishop Hill&#039;s link.  But I did find this bit of text below it:  

&quot;Sir Muir was asked by MPs why he didn&#039;t ask specifically if e-mails had been deleted, something that could contravene Freedom of Information laws.

&quot;He replied that could have taken the review into the field of criminal law, something that was outside its remit.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t get the video to run on Bishop Hill&#8217;s link.  But I did find this bit of text below it:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Sir Muir was asked by MPs why he didn&#8217;t ask specifically if e-mails had been deleted, something that could contravene Freedom of Information laws.</p>
<p>&#8220;He replied that could have taken the review into the field of criminal law, something that was outside its remit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244375</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-244367&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; TAG (Oct 27 08:29)&lt;/a&gt;, 
Working now. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-244367" rel="nofollow"> TAG (Oct 27 08:29)</a>,<br />
Working now. </p>
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		<title>By: TAG</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TAG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The parliamentary link works for me in Canada. It is playing now]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parliamentary link works for me in Canada. It is playing now</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t pull up the feed anymore. I got it briefly when I got up this morning, but now I can&#039;t. Can anyone in US/Canada pull it up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t pull up the feed anymore. I got it briefly when I got up this morning, but now I can&#8217;t. Can anyone in US/Canada pull it up?</p>
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		<title>By: TAG</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TAG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Davies inidcated that teh Royal Society had been sent copies of the papers on March 4 and that he emaild asking for a statement of approval on the 12th. He also says that that Email was the one replied to in 20 minutes.  

He also in reply to one of Sringer&#039;s questions that the list was supplied to the panel on the 10 which is two days before the RS indicated tehir approval of the list

In reply to questiosn about contentious papers not being on the list, he indicated that the same topics were covered in papers which were on the list.

That seems to be the UEA case about the list.

===========================

However I could not quite understand Davies&#039; answer as to who created the list. Apparently Jones and others were consulted but they did not have decision-making authority. I think that Davies indicated that he and someone else actually made the decision but the answer was so lenghty and convoluted thagt I am not quite sure of that.

=====================

On the deletion of Email issue, I especially liked the linguistic discussion of the difference on menaing between &quot;incite&quot; and &quot;attempt&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davies inidcated that teh Royal Society had been sent copies of the papers on March 4 and that he emaild asking for a statement of approval on the 12th. He also says that that Email was the one replied to in 20 minutes.  </p>
<p>He also in reply to one of Sringer&#8217;s questions that the list was supplied to the panel on the 10 which is two days before the RS indicated tehir approval of the list</p>
<p>In reply to questiosn about contentious papers not being on the list, he indicated that the same topics were covered in papers which were on the list.</p>
<p>That seems to be the UEA case about the list.</p>
<p>===========================</p>
<p>However I could not quite understand Davies&#8217; answer as to who created the list. Apparently Jones and others were consulted but they did not have decision-making authority. I think that Davies indicated that he and someone else actually made the decision but the answer was so lenghty and convoluted thagt I am not quite sure of that.</p>
<p>=====================</p>
<p>On the deletion of Email issue, I especially liked the linguistic discussion of the difference on menaing between &#8220;incite&#8221; and &#8220;attempt&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with Viv Evans on all of that. While it&#039;s fresh in the mind, the moment I most felt &quot;clean bowled&quot; was the new MP (sorry, no subtitles in the room itself) who asked Russell why he didn&#039;t do as the previous committee had recommended and hold all interviews in the open. There was no good reason. Stringer took on some of the more detailed points, including the views of Professor Kelly being unrepresented but highly relevant to the issue of whether the science was any good. The committee has plenty to put in writing if they so choose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Viv Evans on all of that. While it&#8217;s fresh in the mind, the moment I most felt &#8220;clean bowled&#8221; was the new MP (sorry, no subtitles in the room itself) who asked Russell why he didn&#8217;t do as the previous committee had recommended and hold all interviews in the open. There was no good reason. Stringer took on some of the more detailed points, including the views of Professor Kelly being unrepresented but highly relevant to the issue of whether the science was any good. The committee has plenty to put in writing if they so choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Viv Evans</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/26/link-to-muir-russell-at-scitech/#comment-244356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Viv Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I followed the STSC session on the link provided by Bishop Hill.

My impression was that not just Mr Stringer but the Tory and LibDem MPs were also well informed, asked pertinent questions and, while allowing the trio of Muir Russell, Acton and Davies to waffle on, they did not let themselves be bamboozled.

As the names of Messrs Holland, Keenan, McKittrick, Steve McIntyre and Montford were mentioned by the MPs, I could not help thinking that they probably read, at least, andy Montford&#039;s report on the whitewash reviews - and some, especially Mr Stringer, seem to have delved into this blog as well.

The expressions on the faces of some MPs, while one or the other of three trio waffled on relentlessly, were evidence that they did not buy the whitewash on offer.

Will there be a report? 
Probably.

Will the present government make use of it? 
Who knows!

But - I was encouraged to see that the MPs belonging to the governing coalition were mightily unimpressed by the trio&#039;s efforts. As these are all &#039;new&#039; to this parliament, having only been elected in May, I&#039;d assume that they won&#039;t as yet be reverential enough towards their own government, and will make representations which might hopefully lead to &#039;savings&#039;, i.e. cuts for CAGW projects in the budget next year.

Yeah - hope springs eternal ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed the STSC session on the link provided by Bishop Hill.</p>
<p>My impression was that not just Mr Stringer but the Tory and LibDem MPs were also well informed, asked pertinent questions and, while allowing the trio of Muir Russell, Acton and Davies to waffle on, they did not let themselves be bamboozled.</p>
<p>As the names of Messrs Holland, Keenan, McKittrick, Steve McIntyre and Montford were mentioned by the MPs, I could not help thinking that they probably read, at least, andy Montford&#8217;s report on the whitewash reviews &#8211; and some, especially Mr Stringer, seem to have delved into this blog as well.</p>
<p>The expressions on the faces of some MPs, while one or the other of three trio waffled on relentlessly, were evidence that they did not buy the whitewash on offer.</p>
<p>Will there be a report?<br />
Probably.</p>
<p>Will the present government make use of it?<br />
Who knows!</p>
<p>But &#8211; I was encouraged to see that the MPs belonging to the governing coalition were mightily unimpressed by the trio&#8217;s efforts. As these are all &#8216;new&#8217; to this parliament, having only been elected in May, I&#8217;d assume that they won&#8217;t as yet be reverential enough towards their own government, and will make representations which might hopefully lead to &#8216;savings&#8217;, i.e. cuts for CAGW projects in the budget next year.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; hope springs eternal &#8230;</p>
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