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		<title>By: Mike Granatt</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Granatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, &quot;Luther Pendragon played no part in choosing any of the issues considered by the Russell Review&quot; means exactly what it says; and &quot;issues&quot; includes such items as peer review examples.  Neither was it our role to draft any of the report, nor did we. Putting that on the record is all I wish to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, &#8220;Luther Pendragon played no part in choosing any of the issues considered by the Russell Review&#8221; means exactly what it says; and &#8220;issues&#8221; includes such items as peer review examples.  Neither was it our role to draft any of the report, nor did we. Putting that on the record is all I wish to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Granatt</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Granatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the avoidance of doubt, Luther Pendragon played no part in choosing any of the issues considered by the Russell Review.

&lt;strong&gt;Steve:&lt;/strong&gt; thanks for commenting. As advisers on public relations, did you play any role in identifying or selecting the three peer review examples. As noted in my post, two of the three were never mentioned at Climate Audit and were not the main examples under discussion at the time. how did they get selected?    Also did Luther Pendragon employees contribute to the drafting of any of the sections of the Muir Russell report?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the avoidance of doubt, Luther Pendragon played no part in choosing any of the issues considered by the Russell Review.</p>
<p><strong>Steve:</strong> thanks for commenting. As advisers on public relations, did you play any role in identifying or selecting the three peer review examples. As noted in my post, two of the three were never mentioned at Climate Audit and were not the main examples under discussion at the time. how did they get selected?    Also did Luther Pendragon employees contribute to the drafting of any of the sections of the Muir Russell report?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244436</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The credibility of the Rusell Inquiry depends heavily on the CRU papers chosen for thir investigation. Prof Davies of CRU says that he chose them and had a verbal discussion with the Royal Society &quot;at the end of February, early March&quot;. The list was sent to the RS on 4 March and approved on 12 March, though some dates remain in dispute.

First question, why was the Royal Society involved at all?

Second question, did the RS discuss the list verbally, or did a person such as Lord Rees do the discussion as President, later saying it represented the RS?

Remember the strange wording of the email -
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Dear Martin [Rees] and Brian [Hoskins],

The UEA Press Office advises us that the Panel and UEA will come under enormous pressure for details of the publications to be assessed when we announce the membership of the Panel.

Initially we did not wish to do this but we have now been persuaded this is probably a good idea and it may, indeed, deflect other disruptive efforts by some in the media/blogosphere. Ron is comfortable with this, but is keen that we can say that it was constructed in consultation with the Royal Society.

I did send you this list earlier, which I attach again here. They represent the core body of CRU work around which most of the assertions have been flying. They are also the publications which featured heavily in our submission to the Parliamentary Inquiry, and in our answers to the Muir Russell Review’s questions.

I would be very grateful if you would be prepared to allow us to use a form of words along the lines: “the publications were chosen in consultation with The Royal Society”.

Best Wishes
Trevor
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Surely this procedure needs confirmation. An Affirmation or Statutory Declaration from the main parties would seem to be in order, noting the date of the &quot;conversation&quot; and the main points of it.

The problem is that the whole structure of the Muir Report leans on endorsement by the RS of the choice of papers to be examined, when in fact the list not have been endorsed by the RS at all. Is the President empowered to make such a statement on behalf of the RS membership? I think not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The credibility of the Rusell Inquiry depends heavily on the CRU papers chosen for thir investigation. Prof Davies of CRU says that he chose them and had a verbal discussion with the Royal Society &#8220;at the end of February, early March&#8221;. The list was sent to the RS on 4 March and approved on 12 March, though some dates remain in dispute.</p>
<p>First question, why was the Royal Society involved at all?</p>
<p>Second question, did the RS discuss the list verbally, or did a person such as Lord Rees do the discussion as President, later saying it represented the RS?</p>
<p>Remember the strange wording of the email -<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Dear Martin [Rees] and Brian [Hoskins],</p>
<p>The UEA Press Office advises us that the Panel and UEA will come under enormous pressure for details of the publications to be assessed when we announce the membership of the Panel.</p>
<p>Initially we did not wish to do this but we have now been persuaded this is probably a good idea and it may, indeed, deflect other disruptive efforts by some in the media/blogosphere. Ron is comfortable with this, but is keen that we can say that it was constructed in consultation with the Royal Society.</p>
<p>I did send you this list earlier, which I attach again here. They represent the core body of CRU work around which most of the assertions have been flying. They are also the publications which featured heavily in our submission to the Parliamentary Inquiry, and in our answers to the Muir Russell Review’s questions.</p>
<p>I would be very grateful if you would be prepared to allow us to use a form of words along the lines: “the publications were chosen in consultation with The Royal Society”.</p>
<p>Best Wishes<br />
Trevor<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Surely this procedure needs confirmation. An Affirmation or Statutory Declaration from the main parties would seem to be in order, noting the date of the &#8220;conversation&#8221; and the main points of it.</p>
<p>The problem is that the whole structure of the Muir Report leans on endorsement by the RS of the choice of papers to be examined, when in fact the list not have been endorsed by the RS at all. Is the President empowered to make such a statement on behalf of the RS membership? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They went to a lot of trouble to get the stage management just right.  

Still, &quot;the best laid plans&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They went to a lot of trouble to get the stage management just right.  </p>
<p>Still, &#8220;the best laid plans&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveS</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DaveS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 19:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had an ultimately fruitless correspondence with Kate Moffatt (of Luther Pendragon) during the Russell &#039;inquiry&#039;, trying to get answers to some of the obvious questions concerning the enquiry team, and the contradictory statements on the inquiry&#039;s website. After repeatedly refusing to say anything other than &#039;we&#039;ve nothing to add to what&#039;s on the website&#039; she eventually just stated that the correspondence was closed. So I don&#039;t suppose you&#039;ll get much out of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an ultimately fruitless correspondence with Kate Moffatt (of Luther Pendragon) during the Russell &#8216;inquiry&#8217;, trying to get answers to some of the obvious questions concerning the enquiry team, and the contradictory statements on the inquiry&#8217;s website. After repeatedly refusing to say anything other than &#8216;we&#8217;ve nothing to add to what&#8217;s on the website&#8217; she eventually just stated that the correspondence was closed. So I don&#8217;t suppose you&#8217;ll get much out of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Skywalker</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-244386&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ross McKitrick (Oct 27 10:20)&lt;/a&gt;, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;it is in keeping with the general air of cluelessness about the inquiry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cluelessness? Thimble-rigging?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-244386" rel="nofollow">Ross McKitrick (Oct 27 10:20)</a>, </p>
<blockquote><p>it is in keeping with the general air of cluelessness about the inquiry.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cluelessness? Thimble-rigging?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross McKitrick</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross McKitrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my &lt;a href=&quot;http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/mckitrick-iccer-evidence.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;submission to Muir Russell&lt;/a&gt; I said, p. 44:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
[78] The affair over the Soon and Baliunas paper is, in my view, a sad indicator of the intolerant environment in the climatology community, especially since the paper in question was giving evidence of uncertainties that we now know were privately shared by others in the field. However the main instigators of the campaign to harass and discredit Climate Research were not apparently at the CRU so it is not directly relevant to the Inquiry.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That was it. And nothing on the other 2 incidents. I hadn&#039;t thought about it before this post, but it is odd that they focused so much on those incidents. Then again it is in keeping with the general air of cluelessness about the inquiry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my <a href="http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/mckitrick-iccer-evidence.pdf" rel="nofollow">submission to Muir Russell</a> I said, p. 44:</p>
<blockquote><p>
[78] The affair over the Soon and Baliunas paper is, in my view, a sad indicator of the intolerant environment in the climatology community, especially since the paper in question was giving evidence of uncertainties that we now know were privately shared by others in the field. However the main instigators of the campaign to harass and discredit Climate Research were not apparently at the CRU so it is not directly relevant to the Inquiry.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That was it. And nothing on the other 2 incidents. I hadn&#8217;t thought about it before this post, but it is odd that they focused so much on those incidents. Then again it is in keeping with the general air of cluelessness about the inquiry.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Loehle</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Loehle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is like those babushka dolls--layers and layers.  They paid Luther Pendragon to do the selecting?  Really?  A PR firm?  &quot;face-palm&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like those babushka dolls&#8211;layers and layers.  They paid Luther Pendragon to do the selecting?  Really?  A PR firm?  &#8220;face-palm&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luther Pendragon has an interesting client list.  Is it worth exploring or does it take us too far afield?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luther Pendragon has an interesting client list.  Is it worth exploring or does it take us too far afield?</p>
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		<title>By: PJB</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/27/muir-russell-and-the-peer-review-three/#comment-244366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first question, the required reference is at their fingertips....did they have access to the questions to be asked?

A clear case of the drunk looking for his lost car keys under the streetlight. He lost them in the alley with the hooker but the alley is dark and scary and he wouldn&#039;t see them anyway so why look there?

Although some decent questions were asked, they avoided answering directly and came up with all kinds of other reasons for what they did.

Not very impressive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first question, the required reference is at their fingertips&#8230;.did they have access to the questions to be asked?</p>
<p>A clear case of the drunk looking for his lost car keys under the streetlight. He lost them in the alley with the hooker but the alley is dark and scary and he wouldn&#8217;t see them anyway so why look there?</p>
<p>Although some decent questions were asked, they avoided answering directly and came up with all kinds of other reasons for what they did.</p>
<p>Not very impressive.</p>
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