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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Petter</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245765</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Oreskes was given way too much room to be able to label this documentary &#039;objective&#039;. And the narrator (notwithstanding his lousy diction) furthered her message in the second half, by mis-translating and by commenting as described above.
Not as much State Propaganda as the conviction of the journalist though, I believe (although Sweden is pretty leftist, the majority of the journalist corps are waaay left).
But it was interesting to hear Mann, Jones, Smith comment on it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Oreskes was given way too much room to be able to label this documentary &#8216;objective&#8217;. And the narrator (notwithstanding his lousy diction) furthered her message in the second half, by mis-translating and by commenting as described above.<br />
Not as much State Propaganda as the conviction of the journalist though, I believe (although Sweden is pretty leftist, the majority of the journalist corps are waaay left).<br />
But it was interesting to hear Mann, Jones, Smith comment on it all.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnGM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnGM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to update the link to the Swedish documentary (Steve&#039;s link doesn&#039;t point directly to the video but rather to the page where all the videos are located. Eventually, the ClimateGate &quot;documentary&quot; will be scrolled out of sight.):

http://svtplay.se/v/2226725/vetenskapens_varld/del_12_av_18__climategate?cb,a1364145,1,f,-1/pb,a1364142,1,f,-1/pl,v,,2226725/sb,p102815,1,f,-1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to update the link to the Swedish documentary (Steve&#8217;s link doesn&#8217;t point directly to the video but rather to the page where all the videos are located. Eventually, the ClimateGate &#8220;documentary&#8221; will be scrolled out of sight.):</p>
<p><a href="http://svtplay.se/v/2226725/vetenskapens_varld/del_12_av_18__climategate?cb,a1364145,1,f,-1/pb,a1364142,1,f,-1/pl,v" rel="nofollow">http://svtplay.se/v/2226725/vetenskapens_varld/del_12_av_18__climategate?cb,a1364145,1,f,-1/pb,a1364142,1,f,-1/pl,v</a>,,2226725/sb,p102815,1,f,-1</p>
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		<title>By: Paul-in-CT</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul-in-CT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, thank you for this link (which you might want to update as it has apparently been moved).

IMHO you do a very admirable job of &quot;saying what you want to say, and nothing else,&quot; which is difficult, and along the lines of the old adage that &quot;I would have written a shorter letter, but didn&#039;t have the time.&quot;

Any decent lawyer would applaud your efforts in this vein, and I know the difficulties of self-discipline involved. Sure, your critics will still find fault with whatever you say, but it seems to me that your style creates more friends than critics. 

I hope you keep it up, I mean, in that careful style of yours. It is your most valuable asset, more valuable even than your analysis, which is of course very valuable on its own, but worthless if no one reads it. So please keep up that cordial tone.

-Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, thank you for this link (which you might want to update as it has apparently been moved).</p>
<p>IMHO you do a very admirable job of &#8220;saying what you want to say, and nothing else,&#8221; which is difficult, and along the lines of the old adage that &#8220;I would have written a shorter letter, but didn&#8217;t have the time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any decent lawyer would applaud your efforts in this vein, and I know the difficulties of self-discipline involved. Sure, your critics will still find fault with whatever you say, but it seems to me that your style creates more friends than critics. </p>
<p>I hope you keep it up, I mean, in that careful style of yours. It is your most valuable asset, more valuable even than your analysis, which is of course very valuable on its own, but worthless if no one reads it. So please keep up that cordial tone.</p>
<p>-Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only reason why people do not believe in climate change is very simple.

IT IS CALLED MONEY

Money can manipulate peoples mind. I mean look at America. The country where everything is being censured by the corporations. People have no idea what is really going on. The truth is more frightening then people think. This is also a reason why people do not believe in it. Humans do not want to believe in anything as frightening as the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason why people do not believe in climate change is very simple.</p>
<p>IT IS CALLED MONEY</p>
<p>Money can manipulate peoples mind. I mean look at America. The country where everything is being censured by the corporations. People have no idea what is really going on. The truth is more frightening then people think. This is also a reason why people do not believe in it. Humans do not want to believe in anything as frightening as the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Nedernoor</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nedernoor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to say Oslo, but the official line of policy in Norway isn&#039;t any better, with a prime minister who still believes that the science is settled and who is willing to squander a lot of money on his CO2 cleansing and storing project. Not to mention the minister of environmental affairs....

Comment from a scetpical Dutchman living in Norway]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say Oslo, but the official line of policy in Norway isn&#8217;t any better, with a prime minister who still believes that the science is settled and who is willing to squander a lot of money on his CO2 cleansing and storing project. Not to mention the minister of environmental affairs&#8230;.</p>
<p>Comment from a scetpical Dutchman living in Norway</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Kamél</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lars Kamél]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is not apparent for those not knowing Swedish, is that the translation from English to Swedish contains several errors. Errors, that probably are intentional and have a different meaning compared to the English original. Such as &quot;present the uncertainties&quot; becomes &quot;emphasize on the uncertainties&quot; when translated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is not apparent for those not knowing Swedish, is that the translation from English to Swedish contains several errors. Errors, that probably are intentional and have a different meaning compared to the English original. Such as &#8220;present the uncertainties&#8221; becomes &#8220;emphasize on the uncertainties&#8221; when translated.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its really fun reading all of the comments here.
i agree that its weird that they dont make all the data public.

however, even if they did hide &quot;bad data&quot;. the other climate stations around the world had matching results. why focus on the one only thing that diverts from majority? 

especially when nobody ACTUALLY knows what is happening to our environment - the science of climate is kind of &quot;new&quot; and most of the theories is, in fact theories.  so having a really strong belief in anything here is pretty much pointless at this time. 

this, in my eyes seems more like a discussion of different people saying: &quot;lets be careful&quot; or &quot;it doesn&#039;t matter what we do&quot;.  where the other seem kind of a pretty naive way of looking at the world. even if the climate question is a hoax, it might become an issue in the future if more greenhouse-gases are released.
  

to understand nature i recommend watching the power of the planet series, i think its a pretty good program who describes how earth systems work.

also, the main reason why i personally think we should think about what we put out in the air and water is not mainly co2 but other more dangerous chemicals that ends up in ourselves when we breathe and drink. 
and if you dont like people making money out of this, then try to realize there&#039;s far more money involved in NOT doing anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its really fun reading all of the comments here.<br />
i agree that its weird that they dont make all the data public.</p>
<p>however, even if they did hide &#8220;bad data&#8221;. the other climate stations around the world had matching results. why focus on the one only thing that diverts from majority? </p>
<p>especially when nobody ACTUALLY knows what is happening to our environment &#8211; the science of climate is kind of &#8220;new&#8221; and most of the theories is, in fact theories.  so having a really strong belief in anything here is pretty much pointless at this time. </p>
<p>this, in my eyes seems more like a discussion of different people saying: &#8220;lets be careful&#8221; or &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t matter what we do&#8221;.  where the other seem kind of a pretty naive way of looking at the world. even if the climate question is a hoax, it might become an issue in the future if more greenhouse-gases are released.</p>
<p>to understand nature i recommend watching the power of the planet series, i think its a pretty good program who describes how earth systems work.</p>
<p>also, the main reason why i personally think we should think about what we put out in the air and water is not mainly co2 but other more dangerous chemicals that ends up in ourselves when we breathe and drink.<br />
and if you dont like people making money out of this, then try to realize there&#8217;s far more money involved in NOT doing anything.</p>
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		<title>By: mikep</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikep]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Especially given his dreadful paper in the international Journal of Climatology, which commits one elementary statistical confusion (autocorrelation in the dependent variable is run together with autocorrelation in the residuals) and one elementary mistake (failing to notice his coefficients lie outside his estimated confidence intervals). See

http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/mckitrick_revised.pdf

And for the unedifying story of teh review procedure for McKitrick&#039;s paper see

http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/response_to_ijoc.pdf

I might just add that the original Schmidt paper was refereed by Jones and given the most cursory review, which hailed the totally confused autocorrelation discussion as very important and failed to challenge the coefficient issue at all. the complete substantive part of the review is as follows

&quot;Review of Schmidt

This paper is timely as it clearly shows that the results claimed in dML06 and MM07 are almost certainly spurious. It is important that such papers get written and the obvious statistical errors highlighted. Here the problem relates to the original belief that there were many more spatial degrees of freedom. This is a common mistake and it will be good to have another paper to refer to when reviewing any more papers like dML06 and MM07. There is really no excuse for these sorts of mistakes to be made, that lead to erroneous claims about problems with the surface temperature record.

My recommendation is that the paper be accepted subject to minor revisions. I have grouped my comments into minor changes that are needed, and a second set of thoughts that the author might like to consider to help clarify his arguments. It is certain that this paper will get read by a particular type of climatologist, so it ought to be as clear as possible. I’m happy if all the thoughts are ignored.&quot;

The common mistake is not a mistake at all. Autocorrelation in the dependent variable is not a problem - it is a feature of the data. If it is adequately explained by the independent variables so that the equation residuals are not autocorrelated there is no problem. The interesting feature of the data has been adequately explained. Jones does not seem to know what he is talking about. It&#039;s this combination of arrogance and ignorance which makes me sceptical.
The Jones review can be found at

http://www.climate-gate.org/cru/documents/review_schmidt.doc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially given his dreadful paper in the international Journal of Climatology, which commits one elementary statistical confusion (autocorrelation in the dependent variable is run together with autocorrelation in the residuals) and one elementary mistake (failing to notice his coefficients lie outside his estimated confidence intervals). See</p>
<p><a href="http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/mckitrick_revised.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/mckitrick_revised.pdf</a></p>
<p>And for the unedifying story of teh review procedure for McKitrick&#8217;s paper see</p>
<p><a href="http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/response_to_ijoc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/response_to_ijoc.pdf</a></p>
<p>I might just add that the original Schmidt paper was refereed by Jones and given the most cursory review, which hailed the totally confused autocorrelation discussion as very important and failed to challenge the coefficient issue at all. the complete substantive part of the review is as follows</p>
<p>&#8220;Review of Schmidt</p>
<p>This paper is timely as it clearly shows that the results claimed in dML06 and MM07 are almost certainly spurious. It is important that such papers get written and the obvious statistical errors highlighted. Here the problem relates to the original belief that there were many more spatial degrees of freedom. This is a common mistake and it will be good to have another paper to refer to when reviewing any more papers like dML06 and MM07. There is really no excuse for these sorts of mistakes to be made, that lead to erroneous claims about problems with the surface temperature record.</p>
<p>My recommendation is that the paper be accepted subject to minor revisions. I have grouped my comments into minor changes that are needed, and a second set of thoughts that the author might like to consider to help clarify his arguments. It is certain that this paper will get read by a particular type of climatologist, so it ought to be as clear as possible. I’m happy if all the thoughts are ignored.&#8221;</p>
<p>The common mistake is not a mistake at all. Autocorrelation in the dependent variable is not a problem &#8211; it is a feature of the data. If it is adequately explained by the independent variables so that the equation residuals are not autocorrelated there is no problem. The interesting feature of the data has been adequately explained. Jones does not seem to know what he is talking about. It&#8217;s this combination of arrogance and ignorance which makes me sceptical.<br />
The Jones review can be found at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climate-gate.org/cru/documents/review_schmidt.doc" rel="nofollow">http://www.climate-gate.org/cru/documents/review_schmidt.doc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best part must be Gavin Schmidt at 29:12:  
  &quot;Exclamation mark. Right?  It&#039;s a joke!  Right?  It&#039;s a joke!&quot;  

He&#039;s funny :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part must be Gavin Schmidt at 29:12:<br />
  &#8220;Exclamation mark. Right?  It&#8217;s a joke!  Right?  It&#8217;s a joke!&#8221;  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s funny <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2010/11/09/swedish-documentary-on-climategate/#comment-245410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we all spell &quot;C.Y.A.&quot;?  There must be a Swedish equivalent, too ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we all spell &#8220;C.Y.A.&#8221;?  There must be a Swedish equivalent, too &#8230;</p>
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