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	<title>Comments on: Publishing Review Comments &#8211; the Crowley Incident</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: oneuniverse</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256452</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Scientific fraud resembles financial fraud in that it can bring undeserved remuneration and power, a salient difference being that in scientific fraud the ill-gotten gains are automatically institutionally laundered.&quot; 

Herbert N. Arst, Jr., Imperial College School of Medicine, London. Nature 403:478, 2000. [from the Office of Research Integrity (ORI) website]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scientific fraud resembles financial fraud in that it can bring undeserved remuneration and power, a salient difference being that in scientific fraud the ill-gotten gains are automatically institutionally laundered.&#8221; </p>
<p>Herbert N. Arst, Jr., Imperial College School of Medicine, London. Nature 403:478, 2000. [from the Office of Research Integrity (ORI) website]</p>
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		<title>By: Unscientific Lawyer</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256442</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unscientific Lawyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In the Crowley example, it was my view that Crowley’s publication of untrue statements about our correspondence was a fundamental breach of any implied agreement that the correspondence was private, thereby terminating whatever agreement we might have had. I was therefore entitled to publish the correspondence in my own defence. Similarly with EOS. They published false statements about me and had an obligation to deal fairly with me to mitigate the damages. They breached that obligation and, in my opinion, could no longer insist on that the review comments were confidential.&quot;

This is a fair description of what&#039;s called the &quot;offensive use&quot; doctrine in law.  The privilege of keeping some communication confidential is to provide a shield against disclosure (attorney-client communications, for example).  However, when someone uses the privilege as a sword, such use is considered offensive and waives the privilege.  Therefore, whenever a former client sues an attorney, the client cannot keep the attorney from disclosing what was once confidential communications if confidential communication could be used by the attorney to defend against the client&#039;s suit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the Crowley example, it was my view that Crowley’s publication of untrue statements about our correspondence was a fundamental breach of any implied agreement that the correspondence was private, thereby terminating whatever agreement we might have had. I was therefore entitled to publish the correspondence in my own defence. Similarly with EOS. They published false statements about me and had an obligation to deal fairly with me to mitigate the damages. They breached that obligation and, in my opinion, could no longer insist on that the review comments were confidential.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a fair description of what&#8217;s called the &#8220;offensive use&#8221; doctrine in law.  The privilege of keeping some communication confidential is to provide a shield against disclosure (attorney-client communications, for example).  However, when someone uses the privilege as a sword, such use is considered offensive and waives the privilege.  Therefore, whenever a former client sues an attorney, the client cannot keep the attorney from disclosing what was once confidential communications if confidential communication could be used by the attorney to defend against the client&#8217;s suit.</p>
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		<title>By: TAC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256297</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TAC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, when I read your posts I bristle at your unflattering comparisons between scientific debate and securities offerings.  At the same time I am overwhelmed by the clarity of your thought and the intellectual horsepower you apply to each issue; despite having searched as carefully as I know how, I have never found a fault with your analyses. 

It makes wonder what&#039;s going on. Is the &quot;Team&quot; approach nothing more than a &quot;scientific&quot; Ponzi scheme? Rewarding early &quot;investors&quot; -- themselves -- by selling a fraudulent story to an expanding and increasingly gullible audience of participants, constantly devising ways to prevent truths from emerging?

In any case, the Team&#039;s behavior is frightening and disheartening. Their malfeasance has already discredited the entire climate-science discipline, at least for those paying attention. 

This cannot be good for science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, when I read your posts I bristle at your unflattering comparisons between scientific debate and securities offerings.  At the same time I am overwhelmed by the clarity of your thought and the intellectual horsepower you apply to each issue; despite having searched as carefully as I know how, I have never found a fault with your analyses. </p>
<p>It makes wonder what&#8217;s going on. Is the &#8220;Team&#8221; approach nothing more than a &#8220;scientific&#8221; Ponzi scheme? Rewarding early &#8220;investors&#8221; &#8212; themselves &#8212; by selling a fraudulent story to an expanding and increasingly gullible audience of participants, constantly devising ways to prevent truths from emerging?</p>
<p>In any case, the Team&#8217;s behavior is frightening and disheartening. Their malfeasance has already discredited the entire climate-science discipline, at least for those paying attention. </p>
<p>This cannot be good for science.</p>
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		<title>By: mark t</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark t]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not surprisingly, in an obvious display of irony with the word... irony.

Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprisingly, in an obvious display of irony with the word&#8230; irony.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: MrPete</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrPete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-256206&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Björn (Feb 20 13:14)&lt;/a&gt;, 
For any non-blog file, just change &quot;.org&quot; to &quot;.info&quot; e.g.:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf&lt;/a&gt; becomes
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf&lt;/a&gt; -- this latter link works fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-256206" rel="nofollow">Björn (Feb 20 13:14)</a>,<br />
For any non-blog file, just change &#8220;.org&#8221; to &#8220;.info&#8221; e.g.:<br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf</a> becomes<br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/news/crowley.2005.EOS.pdf</a> &#8212; this latter link works fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Dias</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luis Dias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh my, so you are really here just trolling us?

Are you dr. Steig in disguise or something?

That would be incredibly amazing, btw.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, so you are really here just trolling us?</p>
<p>Are you dr. Steig in disguise or something?</p>
<p>That would be incredibly amazing, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Dias</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luis Dias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boro, it is plainly evident that Steig endorsed iRidge, despite any kind of &quot;unsureness&quot; from him. Your attempt to blame Ryan on other people being stupid or lazy is also a little... heck, stupid/lazy. Surely Ryan is not to be blamed for the whole internetz debacles.

If people don&#039;t know how to behave, bad for them. And that goes to you too, I&#039;m afraid.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nobody but you made the errors of fact and judgement that you have made&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really. Having seen what Eric has done in recent past, I&#039;ll take Ryan&#039;s &quot;errors of fact&quot; any day. At least here&#039;s a man of honor who tries to do his best under a storm of torment and bad faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boro, it is plainly evident that Steig endorsed iRidge, despite any kind of &#8220;unsureness&#8221; from him. Your attempt to blame Ryan on other people being stupid or lazy is also a little&#8230; heck, stupid/lazy. Surely Ryan is not to be blamed for the whole internetz debacles.</p>
<p>If people don&#8217;t know how to behave, bad for them. And that goes to you too, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<blockquote><p>Nobody but you made the errors of fact and judgement that you have made</p></blockquote>
<p>Really. Having seen what Eric has done in recent past, I&#8217;ll take Ryan&#8217;s &#8220;errors of fact&#8221; any day. At least here&#8217;s a man of honor who tries to do his best under a storm of torment and bad faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256217</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s also showing why anonymity breeds contempt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s also showing why anonymity breeds contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-256211&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phil (Feb 20 14:25)&lt;/a&gt;, 

Sorry, that is incorrect.  It was at http://www.realclimate.org/Crowley_EOS_2005.pdf, but it appears to have been taken down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-256211" rel="nofollow">Phil (Feb 20 14:25)</a>, </p>
<p>Sorry, that is incorrect.  It was at <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/Crowley_EOS_2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/Crowley_EOS_2005.pdf</a>, but it appears to have been taken down.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/18/publishing-review-comments-the-crowley-incident/#comment-256211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-256206&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Björn (Feb 20 13:14)&lt;/a&gt;, 

Try this: http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/07/eos.2005.submission.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-256206" rel="nofollow">Björn (Feb 20 13:14)</a>, </p>
<p>Try this: <a href="http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/07/eos.2005.submission.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2005/07/eos.2005.submission.pdf</a></p>
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