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		<title>By: The humanities</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 02:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Climate Change Debate Thread - Page 1353</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/23/new-light-on-delete-any-emails/#comment-347296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Climate Change Debate Thread - Page 1353]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] politicians, the NGOs and activists, the IPCC is being uncovered piece by piece. Hidden declines, deleting emails, manufactured &quot;peer review&quot;, conspiring to have scienitists sacked, (and that is only [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] politicians, the NGOs and activists, the IPCC is being uncovered piece by piece. Hidden declines, deleting emails, manufactured &quot;peer review&quot;, conspiring to have scienitists sacked, (and that is only [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Greatest Heist in History</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Greatest Heist in History]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 03:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NSF on Jones&#8217; Email Destruction Enterprise &#171; Climate Audit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NSF on Jones&#8217; Email Destruction Enterprise &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] early 2011, from the report of the NOAA OIG, we learned that Wahl (by this time, a NOAA employee), told the NOAA IG that “he believes that he deleted the referenced emails at the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] early 2011, from the report of the NOAA OIG, we learned that Wahl (by this time, a NOAA employee), told the NOAA IG that “he believes that he deleted the referenced emails at the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NSF on Jones&#8217; Email Deletion Enterprise &#171; Climate Audit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NSF on Jones&#8217; Email Deletion Enterprise &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] early 2011, from the report of the NOAA OIG, we learned that Wahl (by this time, a NOAA employee), told the NOAA IG that “he believes that he deleted the referenced emails at the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads Digest 25 February 2011</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cooler Heads Digest 25 February 2011]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] IG Report Sheds New Light on Climategate Scandal Steve McIntyre, ClimateAudit.org, 23 February 2011 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: David Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Holland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-256952&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iain McQueen (Feb 26 15:46)&lt;/a&gt;,

I no longer think anything in climate science is very likely to be accidental.  Too many of the these potential accidents fall the wrong side of a line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-256952" rel="nofollow">Iain McQueen (Feb 26 15:46)</a>,</p>
<p>I no longer think anything in climate science is very likely to be accidental.  Too many of the these potential accidents fall the wrong side of a line.</p>
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		<title>By: David Holland</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/23/new-light-on-delete-any-emails/#comment-256955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Holland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-256951&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iain McQueen (Feb 26 15:32)&lt;/a&gt;,

Only Norton replied, and as I think I suggested, I really do not know who, other than Briffa, Osborn, Jones and Davies (UEA Pro Chancellor) may have seen the mangled version of my submission.  In fact I can not even be sure if Briffa saw it - why would he need Osborn&#039;s help to reply to it?  Osborn&#039;s name appears only once in a reference in Boulton&#039;s mangled version of my submission and no allegation against Osborn was included in it.        

Because this all makes little sense I submitted a FoIA request (and a DPA) to the University of Edinburgh. Peter Clarke is an an employee of the University and was formally contracted by the University to Sir Muir Russell. Boulton is listed as a Senior Honorary Professorial Fellow.  This seems to mean he can come and go as he pleases and the University claim any of his emails are not technically held by them.   In the case of Clarke&#039;s the University claim he deleted all his emails on the Russell Review soon after its report was published and the Review &quot;consolidated&quot; its documents at an undisclosed location - possibly outside the reach of the FoIA.  Deleting all correspondence on a commercial contract days after it is completed does strike me as a bit unusual, but as Steve says &quot;this is climate science&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-256951" rel="nofollow">Iain McQueen (Feb 26 15:32)</a>,</p>
<p>Only Norton replied, and as I think I suggested, I really do not know who, other than Briffa, Osborn, Jones and Davies (UEA Pro Chancellor) may have seen the mangled version of my submission.  In fact I can not even be sure if Briffa saw it &#8211; why would he need Osborn&#8217;s help to reply to it?  Osborn&#8217;s name appears only once in a reference in Boulton&#8217;s mangled version of my submission and no allegation against Osborn was included in it.        </p>
<p>Because this all makes little sense I submitted a FoIA request (and a DPA) to the University of Edinburgh. Peter Clarke is an an employee of the University and was formally contracted by the University to Sir Muir Russell. Boulton is listed as a Senior Honorary Professorial Fellow.  This seems to mean he can come and go as he pleases and the University claim any of his emails are not technically held by them.   In the case of Clarke&#8217;s the University claim he deleted all his emails on the Russell Review soon after its report was published and the Review &#8220;consolidated&#8221; its documents at an undisclosed location &#8211; possibly outside the reach of the FoIA.  Deleting all correspondence on a commercial contract days after it is completed does strike me as a bit unusual, but as Steve says &#8220;this is climate science&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain McQueen</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/23/new-light-on-delete-any-emails/#comment-256952</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iain McQueen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-256945&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iain McQueen (Feb 26 10:28)&lt;/a&gt;, 

I have now noted elsewhere that the email (and perhaps all other) correspondence by the panel was deleted just after their report was published. 

A recent legal comment, I think on this thread above, suggests that Judges would take a very dim view of that, unless it was provably accidental. They could, being men born to suspicion, harbour a notion that deletion would amount to pre-emptive FOIrequest avoidance.

Sadly it betrays perhaps (unless we are looking at a most tragic accident) the type of thinking that these men can exhibit and their fears of revealing real opinions and facts. Certainly it makes a nonsense of the transparency promises so trumpeted at the very beginning of the panel pronouncements and formation of the membership!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-256945" rel="nofollow">Iain McQueen (Feb 26 10:28)</a>, </p>
<p>I have now noted elsewhere that the email (and perhaps all other) correspondence by the panel was deleted just after their report was published. </p>
<p>A recent legal comment, I think on this thread above, suggests that Judges would take a very dim view of that, unless it was provably accidental. They could, being men born to suspicion, harbour a notion that deletion would amount to pre-emptive FOIrequest avoidance.</p>
<p>Sadly it betrays perhaps (unless we are looking at a most tragic accident) the type of thinking that these men can exhibit and their fears of revealing real opinions and facts. Certainly it makes a nonsense of the transparency promises so trumpeted at the very beginning of the panel pronouncements and formation of the membership!</p>
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		<title>By: Iain McQueen</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/02/23/new-light-on-delete-any-emails/#comment-256951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iain McQueen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-256947&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Holland (Feb 26 14:25)&lt;/a&gt;, 

 David Holland,
1]You mentioned two correspondents. Did anyone other than Norton reply?

2]Did Norton see your submission, or the Boulton mangloid?

Is that ascertainable by any means?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-256947" rel="nofollow">David Holland (Feb 26 14:25)</a>, </p>
<p> David Holland,<br />
1]You mentioned two correspondents. Did anyone other than Norton reply?</p>
<p>2]Did Norton see your submission, or the Boulton mangloid?</p>
<p>Is that ascertainable by any means?</p>
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