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	<title>Comments on: U of Virginia to Supply FOI Documents Under Seal Pending Determination</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Freedom of Information &#124; Climate Etc.</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-358290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freedom of Information &#124; Climate Etc.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] McIntyre reports the following regarding the FOIA requests from ATI regarding Michael Mann&#8217;s emails at the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] McIntyre reports the following regarding the FOIA requests from ATI regarding Michael Mann&#8217;s emails at the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sleeper</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-301176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sleeper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s this annoying little thing called &quot;validation&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s this annoying little thing called &#8220;validation&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PhilJourdan</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-301174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhilJourdan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What physical facts would those be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What physical facts would those be?</p>
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		<title>By: citizenschallenge</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-301171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[citizenschallenge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What amazing balderdash and contortions of avoidance you folks engage in. . . all to rationalize your blind-eye to the Earth Observation information coming in from every direction.  You have pretty near zero science on your side, and what science you do have is bickering about fine details that do nothing to change the overall situation society is facing.

&quot;Do nothing, do nothing&quot; the clarion call goes, shame on you all and you’re ruthless little hearts.

What are personal emails and working drafts going to change about the physical facts being observed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amazing balderdash and contortions of avoidance you folks engage in. . . all to rationalize your blind-eye to the Earth Observation information coming in from every direction.  You have pretty near zero science on your side, and what science you do have is bickering about fine details that do nothing to change the overall situation society is facing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do nothing, do nothing&#8221; the clarion call goes, shame on you all and you’re ruthless little hearts.</p>
<p>What are personal emails and working drafts going to change about the physical facts being observed?</p>
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		<title>By: R.S.Brown</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-280698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.S.Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 08:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;b&gt;2.2-3705.4. Exclusions to application of chapter; educational records and certain records of educational institutions.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
”The following records are excluded from the provisions of this chapter but may be disclosed by the custodian in his discretion, except where such disclosure is prohibited by law:”

…
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
”4. Data, records or information &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;of a proprietary nature &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; produced or collected by or for faculty or staff of public institutions of higher education, other than the institutions&#039; financial or administrative records, in the conduct of or as a result of study or research on medical, scientific, technical or scholarly issues, whether sponsored by the institution alone or in conjunction with a governmental body or a private concern, where such data, records or information has not been publicly released, published, copyrighted or patented.”  (I’ve added the emphasis)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As seen at:

http://www.opengovva.org/virginias-foia-the-law

Also, available for your review and consideration at that site:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
§&lt;b&gt; 2.2-3705.6. Exclusions to application of chapter; proprietary records and trade secrets.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
”The following records are excluded from the provisions of this chapter but may be disclosed by the custodian in his discretion, except where such disclosure is prohibited by law:”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There are 23 specified ways to have material or information considered for FOI 
request exclusion as “proprietary” in Virginia.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
§&lt;b&gt; 2.2-3705.7. Exclusions to application of chapter; records of specific public bodies and certain other limited exemptions&lt;/b&gt;

There are 29 ways to have material or information considered for FOI request 
exclusion as records of a public body.      

One exclusion here might be an awkward but serviceable fit with the Mann material held by the University of Virginia:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
“10. Records containing information on the site specific location of rare, threatened, endangered or otherwise imperiled plant and animal species, natural communities, caves, and significant historic and archaeological sites if, in the opinion of the public body that has the responsibility for such information, disclosure of the information would jeopardize the continued existence or the integrity of the resource. This exemption shall not apply to requests from the owner of the land upon which the resource is located.”
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<blockquote><p>
<b>2.2-3705.4. Exclusions to application of chapter; educational records and certain records of educational institutions.</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
”The following records are excluded from the provisions of this chapter but may be disclosed by the custodian in his discretion, except where such disclosure is prohibited by law:”</p>
<p>…
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
”4. Data, records or information <i><b>of a proprietary nature <i><b> produced or collected by or for faculty or staff of public institutions of higher education, other than the institutions&#8217; financial or administrative records, in the conduct of or as a result of study or research on medical, scientific, technical or scholarly issues, whether sponsored by the institution alone or in conjunction with a governmental body or a private concern, where such data, records or information has not been publicly released, published, copyrighted or patented.”  (I’ve added the emphasis)<br />
</b></i></b></i></p></blockquote>
<p>As seen at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opengovva.org/virginias-foia-the-law" rel="nofollow">http://www.opengovva.org/virginias-foia-the-law</a></p>
<p>Also, available for your review and consideration at that site:</p>
<blockquote><p>
§<b> 2.2-3705.6. Exclusions to application of chapter; proprietary records and trade secrets.</b></p>
<blockquote><p>
”The following records are excluded from the provisions of this chapter but may be disclosed by the custodian in his discretion, except where such disclosure is prohibited by law:”
</p></blockquote>
<p>There are 23 specified ways to have material or information considered for FOI<br />
request exclusion as “proprietary” in Virginia.</p>
<blockquote><p>
§<b> 2.2-3705.7. Exclusions to application of chapter; records of specific public bodies and certain other limited exemptions</b></p>
<p>There are 29 ways to have material or information considered for FOI request<br />
exclusion as records of a public body.      </p>
<p>One exclusion here might be an awkward but serviceable fit with the Mann material held by the University of Virginia:</p>
<blockquote><p>
“10. Records containing information on the site specific location of rare, threatened, endangered or otherwise imperiled plant and animal species, natural communities, caves, and significant historic and archaeological sites if, in the opinion of the public body that has the responsibility for such information, disclosure of the information would jeopardize the continued existence or the integrity of the resource. This exemption shall not apply to requests from the owner of the land upon which the resource is located.”
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		<title>By: U of Virginia to Supply FOI Documents Under Seal Pending Determination &#171; Bee Auditor</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-279643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[U of Virginia to Supply FOI Documents Under Seal Pending Determination &#171; Bee Auditor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 01:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Source: http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source: <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Whitman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-279441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Whitman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The May 24 2011 Consent Order in case # CL-11-3236 said, 

“””””The Respondent [UVA] shall complete its supply of requested documents no later than 90 days after the date of this order and will supply them in electronic form.”””””

Also, that Consent Order said,

“””“D. 3. The Petitioners shall have 90 days after receipt of the Exempt Information to review it, negotiate with the Respondents, and, if they choose, file a petition with the Court for in camera review for determination as to whether the Respondent properly designated the records as Exempt Information as defined herein.””””

The timeline is that first UVA has 90 days give all info to ATI.  Then when each piece of the UVA supplied info is given to ATI  a different 90 day  clock starts for ATI to review that piece of info and to negotiate with UVA about it and for petitions to the court to be filed if negotiation isn’t achieved between UVA and ATI.

OK, but I can foresee both ATI and UVA negotiation on each piece of info taking longer than the allowed 90 days.  So I think both parties together will eventually jointly apply to the court for extension of the negotiation period.

John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The May 24 2011 Consent Order in case # CL-11-3236 said, </p>
<p>“””””The Respondent [UVA] shall complete its supply of requested documents no later than 90 days after the date of this order and will supply them in electronic form.”””””</p>
<p>Also, that Consent Order said,</p>
<p>“””“D. 3. The Petitioners shall have 90 days after receipt of the Exempt Information to review it, negotiate with the Respondents, and, if they choose, file a petition with the Court for in camera review for determination as to whether the Respondent properly designated the records as Exempt Information as defined herein.””””</p>
<p>The timeline is that first UVA has 90 days give all info to ATI.  Then when each piece of the UVA supplied info is given to ATI  a different 90 day  clock starts for ATI to review that piece of info and to negotiate with UVA about it and for petitions to the court to be filed if negotiation isn’t achieved between UVA and ATI.</p>
<p>OK, but I can foresee both ATI and UVA negotiation on each piece of info taking longer than the allowed 90 days.  So I think both parties together will eventually jointly apply to the court for extension of the negotiation period.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: PhilJourdan</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-279067</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhilJourdan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 19:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No thank  you.  What should be and what is are often 2 different things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thank  you.  What should be and what is are often 2 different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Jones</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-279050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 18:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-278930&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PhilJourdan (May 27 09:20)&lt;/a&gt;, I never claimed this was best practice, just that it is typical academic practice.

If you seriously believe that most universities securely dispose of old faculty laptops then I have a nice bridge that you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Brooklyn_Bridge_Scams/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;might be interested in&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-278930" rel="nofollow">PhilJourdan (May 27 09:20)</a>, I never claimed this was best practice, just that it is typical academic practice.</p>
<p>If you seriously believe that most universities securely dispose of old faculty laptops then I have a nice bridge that you <a href="http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Brooklyn_Bridge_Scams/" rel="nofollow">might be interested in</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: mpaul</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/24/u-of-virginia-to-supply-foi-documents-under-seal/#comment-278986</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mpaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[R.S. Brown makes a very important point.  UVa&#039;s original response was that they could not find even a single copy of an email anywhere in the university system that was covered by the FOIA request.  This is, on its face, an incredible claim.  Email, by its very nature, leaves artifacts in multiple places.  It defies all reason that copies of Mann&#039;s emails could not be found in various archive files of recipients or even on the hard drives of recipient&#039;s machines.  Its very likely that UVa&#039;s response was simply untrue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.S. Brown makes a very important point.  UVa&#8217;s original response was that they could not find even a single copy of an email anywhere in the university system that was covered by the FOIA request.  This is, on its face, an incredible claim.  Email, by its very nature, leaves artifacts in multiple places.  It defies all reason that copies of Mann&#8217;s emails could not be found in various archive files of recipients or even on the hard drives of recipient&#8217;s machines.  Its very likely that UVa&#8217;s response was simply untrue.</p>
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