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	<title>Comments on: Lynas&#8217; Questions</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Punksta</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-297914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punksta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 07:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;From Lynas&#039;s Q4 : what is the IPCC conflict of interest policy with regard to ... having affiliations to non-academic institutions, whether campaign groups or companies?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Why exclude academic institutions?   They too have vested interests,  being as they are govenment-funded.  Indeed government has by far the biggest vested interest of all, given the added taxes and bureaucracies it can justify on the basis of CAGW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>From Lynas&#8217;s Q4 : what is the IPCC conflict of interest policy with regard to &#8230; having affiliations to non-academic institutions, whether campaign groups or companies?</p></blockquote>
<p>Why exclude academic institutions?   They too have vested interests,  being as they are govenment-funded.  Indeed government has by far the biggest vested interest of all, given the added taxes and bureaucracies it can justify on the basis of CAGW.</p>
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		<title>By: WillR</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292626</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting article on Solar installations and land rights issues.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0627/technology-brightsource-turtles-energy-solar-spot-tortoise.html

You will have to get pas the advertisement first.

&quot;The 370-megawatt Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, they proclaimed, heralded a clean, green energy future.&quot; ..and then the turtles came out of hibernation...

It illustrates the point that implementation of these ideas may have many unintended consequence due to ignorance of the land and the environmental issues. Labeling a project &quot;green&quot; does not make it so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting article on Solar installations and land rights issues.<br />
<a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0627/technology-brightsource-turtles-energy-solar-spot-tortoise.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0627/technology-brightsource-turtles-energy-solar-spot-tortoise.html</a></p>
<p>You will have to get pas the advertisement first.</p>
<p>&#8220;The 370-megawatt Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, they proclaimed, heralded a clean, green energy future.&#8221; ..and then the turtles came out of hibernation&#8230;</p>
<p>It illustrates the point that implementation of these ideas may have many unintended consequence due to ignorance of the land and the environmental issues. Labeling a project &#8220;green&#8221; does not make it so.</p>
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		<title>By: WillR</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WillR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Only an idiot would require an engineering study to be convinced that transmission lines are possible.&quot; 

Chuckle! I don&#039;t recall that was the issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only an idiot would require an engineering study to be convinced that transmission lines are possible.&#8221; </p>
<p>Chuckle! I don&#8217;t recall that was the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyBob</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292367</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will there be economies of scale? 

I mean, if you have to build 3.8 million within 38 years, thats 100,000 per year. Won&#039;t there be contentions for resources?

And if they only last 20 years (a WAG), you will have to build more than 100,000 per year when the old ones wear out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will there be economies of scale? </p>
<p>I mean, if you have to build 3.8 million within 38 years, thats 100,000 per year. Won&#8217;t there be contentions for resources?</p>
<p>And if they only last 20 years (a WAG), you will have to build more than 100,000 per year when the old ones wear out.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292276</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; Negotiating the land rights and transmissions corridors should be interesting. I would like to see that study…

Negotiating?  What do you think &quot;if backed by the right enabling public policies&quot; means?

We&#039;re not talking about a Judge Souter type action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Negotiating the land rights and transmissions corridors should be interesting. I would like to see that study…</p>
<p>Negotiating?  What do you think &#8220;if backed by the right enabling public policies&#8221; means?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking about a Judge Souter type action.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gunnar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; Negotiating the land rights and transmissions corridors should be interesting. I would like to see that study…

You seem to know nothing about the US power grid.  Here is one image: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997398

The whole country is covered with transmission lines.  How do you think they managed that?  Only an idiot would require an engineering study to be convinced that transmission lines are possible.  If you had clicked on the HVDC link, you would know that HVDC lines of the length that I&#039;m talking about already exist all over the world.  Once something has been built, you&#039;ve got to drink a lot of kool-ade to not be convinced that it CAN BE BUILT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Negotiating the land rights and transmissions corridors should be interesting. I would like to see that study…</p>
<p>You seem to know nothing about the US power grid.  Here is one image: <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997398" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997398</a></p>
<p>The whole country is covered with transmission lines.  How do you think they managed that?  Only an idiot would require an engineering study to be convinced that transmission lines are possible.  If you had clicked on the HVDC link, you would know that HVDC lines of the length that I&#8217;m talking about already exist all over the world.  Once something has been built, you&#8217;ve got to drink a lot of kool-ade to not be convinced that it CAN BE BUILT.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gunnar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; OK so there are no credible engineering and financial studies for how this can be achieved on the scale envisaged. 

Incorrect. How did you conclude that?  Btw, Most of my comments are still awaiting moderation, including the 2nd half of that post. Expecting that private companies publish their engineering studies, and taking their lack of publication to mean that there are no studies is completely illogical.

Where is the engineering challenge?  What is needed besides those 4 components, all of which exist?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; OK so there are no credible engineering and financial studies for how this can be achieved on the scale envisaged. </p>
<p>Incorrect. How did you conclude that?  Btw, Most of my comments are still awaiting moderation, including the 2nd half of that post. Expecting that private companies publish their engineering studies, and taking their lack of publication to mean that there are no studies is completely illogical.</p>
<p>Where is the engineering challenge?  What is needed besides those 4 components, all of which exist?</p>
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		<title>By: WillR</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WillR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK so there are no credible engineering and financial studies for how this can be achieved on the scale envisaged. Fair enough. Now people know what they have to do to sell the concept.

Negotiating the land rights and transmissions corridors should be interesting. I would like to see that study...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK so there are no credible engineering and financial studies for how this can be achieved on the scale envisaged. Fair enough. Now people know what they have to do to sell the concept.</p>
<p>Negotiating the land rights and transmissions corridors should be interesting. I would like to see that study&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BillyBob</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BillyBob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The costs for a commercial scale wind turbine in 2007 ranged from $1.2 million to $2.6 million, per MW of nameplate capacity installed.&quot;

http://www.windustry.org/how-much-do-wind-turbines-cost

Ok. 13 million max for 5MW. Onshore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The costs for a commercial scale wind turbine in 2007 ranged from $1.2 million to $2.6 million, per MW of nameplate capacity installed.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.windustry.org/how-much-do-wind-turbines-cost" rel="nofollow">http://www.windustry.org/how-much-do-wind-turbines-cost</a></p>
<p>Ok. 13 million max for 5MW. Onshore.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyBob</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/18/lynas-questions/#comment-292255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BillyBob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The cost of large commercial wind turbines varies from $1 to $2 million per MW of nameplate capacity. &quot;

Do you have other references?

&quot;The solar component calls for the use of industrial scale concentrating solar plants, the most cost efficient form of solar power. Abengoa Solar, a company currently constructing solar thermal plants, put the cost of a 300 MW plant at 1.2 billion euros in 2007. In 2009, the Arizona state government announced a 200 MW plant for 1 billion US dollars so let&#039;s split the difference and estimate $1.56 billion per plant. Calculating the total cost for world solar power:

90,000 * $1,560,000,000 = $140 Trillion&quot;

OUCH!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The cost of large commercial wind turbines varies from $1 to $2 million per MW of nameplate capacity. &#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have other references?</p>
<p>&#8220;The solar component calls for the use of industrial scale concentrating solar plants, the most cost efficient form of solar power. Abengoa Solar, a company currently constructing solar thermal plants, put the cost of a 300 MW plant at 1.2 billion euros in 2007. In 2009, the Arizona state government announced a 200 MW plant for 1 billion US dollars so let&#8217;s split the difference and estimate $1.56 billion per plant. Calculating the total cost for world solar power:</p>
<p>90,000 * $1,560,000,000 = $140 Trillion&#8221;</p>
<p>OUCH!</p>
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