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		<title>By: Of Climategate, constabularies and Copenhagen: coincidences worth considering (Part 1) &#171; The View From Here</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-300877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Of Climategate, constabularies and Copenhagen: coincidences worth considering (Part 1) &#171; The View From Here]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on contract to Scotland Yard as a &#8220;media consultant&#8221;. Not too long ago, it subsequently came to light that Wallis was rather chummy with an Andy [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on contract to Scotland Yard as a &#8220;media consultant&#8221;. Not too long ago, it subsequently came to light that Wallis was rather chummy with an Andy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-298943&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pat Frank (Jul 22 20:16)&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Honestly, this whole cozy British police – public relations – government revolving door of corrupted process, collusion, coverups, and conflicting interests is almost like a conspiracy theorist’s dream of a secret cabal of controlling elites.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And yet it&#039;s not as bad living in London Town and disagreeing with the official line as it was in Moscow in the days of Comrade Lysenko and his pal Jo Stalin, at a time Philby and co were doing all they could to help from outside. Put another way, we have a fighting chance, just as we did despite all the disastrous mistakes of the &quot;old boy network&quot; in bygone eras.

If there&#039;s one article I&#039;d recommend reading to get a balanced view of this crisis it would be John Harris on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/phone-hacking-british-power-elite&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;18 July&lt;/a&gt;, entitled &quot;How the phone-hacking scandal unmasked the British power elite&quot;. This in particular I appreciated and agreed with, coming from a Guardian writer:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When he decisively began to exercise his grip on British politics in the 1980s, Murdoch was an intimate of Margaret Thatcher, who cleared the way for his move into British television, though to claim that she was under his spell was deeply misplaced.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Outstanding leadership means never coming under the spell of such a person, how dynamic and useful they may be to your tactical plans. We need more of the same. Never rule out what it can achieve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-298943" rel="nofollow">Pat Frank (Jul 22 20:16)</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Honestly, this whole cozy British police – public relations – government revolving door of corrupted process, collusion, coverups, and conflicting interests is almost like a conspiracy theorist’s dream of a secret cabal of controlling elites.</p></blockquote>
<p>And yet it&#8217;s not as bad living in London Town and disagreeing with the official line as it was in Moscow in the days of Comrade Lysenko and his pal Jo Stalin, at a time Philby and co were doing all they could to help from outside. Put another way, we have a fighting chance, just as we did despite all the disastrous mistakes of the &#8220;old boy network&#8221; in bygone eras.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s one article I&#8217;d recommend reading to get a balanced view of this crisis it would be John Harris on <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/phone-hacking-british-power-elite" rel="nofollow">18 July</a>, entitled &#8220;How the phone-hacking scandal unmasked the British power elite&#8221;. This in particular I appreciated and agreed with, coming from a Guardian writer:</p>
<blockquote><p>When he decisively began to exercise his grip on British politics in the 1980s, Murdoch was an intimate of Margaret Thatcher, who cleared the way for his move into British television, though to claim that she was under his spell was deeply misplaced.</p></blockquote>
<p>Outstanding leadership means never coming under the spell of such a person, how dynamic and useful they may be to your tactical plans. We need more of the same. Never rule out what it can achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: JEM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299051</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 03:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still inclined to suspect that Mr Wallis and OO were engaged by UEA, or someone on behalf of UEA, for something more &#039;active&#039; than just PR spin.  Perhaps someone thought it might be helpful to spelunk the voicemail of some of the players to try to figure out who knew what about the email release and when.  

If this were the case, it would mean that someone close to UEA or the Norfolk Constabulary would have had to know of Mr Wallis and of his &#039;specialty&#039; and be in a position to engage his firm or recommend him to someone who would.  

Now we hear of Mr Hayman, who could well have been in the right places at the right times to make those connections.

Only guesswork, of course, but things do get curiouser and curiouser.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still inclined to suspect that Mr Wallis and OO were engaged by UEA, or someone on behalf of UEA, for something more &#8216;active&#8217; than just PR spin.  Perhaps someone thought it might be helpful to spelunk the voicemail of some of the players to try to figure out who knew what about the email release and when.  </p>
<p>If this were the case, it would mean that someone close to UEA or the Norfolk Constabulary would have had to know of Mr Wallis and of his &#8216;specialty&#8217; and be in a position to engage his firm or recommend him to someone who would.  </p>
<p>Now we hear of Mr Hayman, who could well have been in the right places at the right times to make those connections.</p>
<p>Only guesswork, of course, but things do get curiouser and curiouser.</p>
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		<title>By: John Whitman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Whitman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin A,

Thanks for correction.  Lagomorph.

John

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Anthony,
 
I suspect that was an intentional mispelling of the lagomorph. Heh?
 
John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin A,</p>
<p>Thanks for correction.  Lagomorph.</p>
<p>John</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>I suspect that was an intentional mispelling of the lagomorph. Heh?</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: hro001</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hro001]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 23:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mpaul:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why are these payments not on the general ledger?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

CRU/UEA, to the best of my recollection, has not been in the habit of going above and beyond the call of duty when responding to FOI requests! I could be wrong (it has been known to happen!), but 
I believe that the GL entries disclosed to Bishop Hill were limited to those which pertained to that which he had specifically mentioned in his request.  

IMHO, it would not be unreasonable to assume that any contract(s) with and payment(s) to OO would be more likely to show up on the books of UEA&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Communications Office&lt;/a&gt;&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Communications Office is a service for the media and for our University colleagues who wish to publicise their work or produce their own publications. [...] We are responsible for media relations, internal communications and official university publications.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mpaul:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why are these payments not on the general ledger?</p></blockquote>
<p>CRU/UEA, to the best of my recollection, has not been in the habit of going above and beyond the call of duty when responding to FOI requests! I could be wrong (it has been known to happen!), but<br />
I believe that the GL entries disclosed to Bishop Hill were limited to those which pertained to that which he had specifically mentioned in his request.  </p>
<p>IMHO, it would not be unreasonable to assume that any contract(s) with and payment(s) to OO would be more likely to show up on the books of UEA&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm" rel="nofollow">Communications Office</a>&#8220;:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Communications Office is a service for the media and for our University colleagues who wish to publicise their work or produce their own publications. [...] We are responsible for media relations, internal communications and official university publications.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 23:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[they showed the Muir Russell payments which wouldnt necessarily catch the OO payments]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they showed the Muir Russell payments which wouldnt necessarily catch the OO payments</p>
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		<title>By: Martin A</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabbits are lagomorphs, rather than rodents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbits are lagomorphs, rather than rodents.</p>
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		<title>By: mpaul</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299018</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mpaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Follow the money.  Bishop Hill obtained the general ledger.  There were no payments to OP listed and a one time relatively small payment to another PR firm.  Where&#039;s the money coming from?  The minimum retainer for a firm like OO would be $20k per month.  Why are these payments not on the general ledger?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow the money.  Bishop Hill obtained the general ledger.  There were no payments to OP listed and a one time relatively small payment to another PR firm.  Where&#8217;s the money coming from?  The minimum retainer for a firm like OO would be $20k per month.  Why are these payments not on the general ledger?</p>
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		<title>By: hro001</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299017</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hro001]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/?replytocom=299007#comment-299007&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ferd Jul 23, 2011 at 12:22 PM&lt;/a&gt;, do you have any links in support of:

&lt;blockquote&gt;GE Canada was shut down as a result&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not that I disbelieve you, but assuming that &quot;GE Canada&quot; = &quot;General Electric Canada&quot;, my family had a very dear friend (who passed away a few years ago) who, prior to retirement, worked for GE - and was quite active at his local church. So I&#039;d like to be able to fwd this info.

Interestingly, on the CoI front, my father (who for a time worked for Westinghouse) was required to (and did) disclose any and all contacts he had with this family friend.

And, on a more humourous (but somewhat related) note ... back in the days when computers made their debut in the industrial workplace, I recall my father telling the story of a visit to our friend&#039;s office.  Our friend was showing off his computer; but some programmer had arranged things in such a way that &lt;em&gt;regardless&lt;/em&gt; of what our friend did, all that displayed on his monitor was &quot;Back to work xxxxx, back to work xxxxx&quot; :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/?replytocom=299007#comment-299007" rel="nofollow">ferd Jul 23, 2011 at 12:22 PM</a>, do you have any links in support of:</p>
<blockquote><p>GE Canada was shut down as a result</p></blockquote>
<p>Not that I disbelieve you, but assuming that &#8220;GE Canada&#8221; = &#8220;General Electric Canada&#8221;, my family had a very dear friend (who passed away a few years ago) who, prior to retirement, worked for GE &#8211; and was quite active at his local church. So I&#8217;d like to be able to fwd this info.</p>
<p>Interestingly, on the CoI front, my father (who for a time worked for Westinghouse) was required to (and did) disclose any and all contacts he had with this family friend.</p>
<p>And, on a more humourous (but somewhat related) note &#8230; back in the days when computers made their debut in the industrial workplace, I recall my father telling the story of a visit to our friend&#8217;s office.  Our friend was showing off his computer; but some programmer had arranged things in such a way that <em>regardless</em> of what our friend did, all that displayed on his monitor was &#8220;Back to work xxxxx, back to work xxxxx&#8221; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Jones</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/07/22/andy-hayman/#comment-299016</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that Anglia Ruskin has no link to UEA; indeed it&#039;s Don Keiller&#039;s university.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that Anglia Ruskin has no link to UEA; indeed it&#8217;s Don Keiller&#8217;s university.</p>
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