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	<title>Comments on: EPA: the Endangerment Finding was not a &#8220;highly influential scientific assessment&#8221;</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: McIntyre catches the University of East Anglia in a web of lies &#124; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/epa-the-endangerment-finding-was-not-a-highly-influential-scientific-assessment/#comment-323815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McIntyre catches the University of East Anglia in a web of lies &#124; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] few months back, Steve McIntyre said something that stuck in my memory: Never under-estimate the capacity for institutional [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: EPA: the Endangerment Finding was not a ?highly influential scientific assessment? &#171; Bee Auditor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EPA: the Endangerment Finding was not a ?highly influential scientific assessment? &#171; Bee Auditor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pedric</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pedric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 02:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most legislation is written by lawyers. Over and over again, we find that laws and initiatives -- mostly composed by lawyers -- are written in ambiguous, imprecise, or sweeping language. 

I&#039;ve become of the opinion that lawyer-legislators, or legal legislative aides, may purposefully write laws in this way so as to ensure later litigation. That, in turn, ensures their income stream. 

I see lawyer legislators as operating under a serious conflict of interest. Laws that are purposefully written poorly are make-work for lawyers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most legislation is written by lawyers. Over and over again, we find that laws and initiatives &#8212; mostly composed by lawyers &#8212; are written in ambiguous, imprecise, or sweeping language. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve become of the opinion that lawyer-legislators, or legal legislative aides, may purposefully write laws in this way so as to ensure later litigation. That, in turn, ensures their income stream. </p>
<p>I see lawyer legislators as operating under a serious conflict of interest. Laws that are purposefully written poorly are make-work for lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooh, Dixie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/epa-the-endangerment-finding-was-not-a-highly-influential-scientific-assessment/#comment-306695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pooh, Dixie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Issa &lt;/strong&gt;and &lt;strong&gt;Inhofe &lt;/strong&gt;should take note of sloppy work by legislators (Congress) in writing the Clean Air Act:

Justice Stevens. 2007. MASSACHUSETTS ET AL. v. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY ET AL. April 2. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-1120.pdf
&lt;blockquote&gt;Page 26 (Opinion): The statutory text forecloses EPA’s reading. The Clean Air Act’s sweeping definition of “air pollutant” includes “any air pollution agent or combination of such agents, including any physical, chemical . . . substance or matter which is emitted into or otherwise enters the ambient air . . . .” §7602(g) (emphasis added).

On its face, the definition embraces all airborne compounds of whatever stripe, and underscores that intent through the repeated use of the word “any.”[25] Carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and hydrofluorocarbons are without a doubt “physical [and] chemical . . . substance[s] which [are] emitted into . . . the ambient air.” The statute is unambiguous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And:
&lt;blockquote&gt;SCALIA, J. (Dissenting, Page 10 footnote 2):  Not only is EPA’s interpretation reasonable, it is far more plausible than the Court’s alternative. As the Court correctly points out, “all airborne compounds of whatever stripe,” ante, at 26, would qualify as “physical, chemical, . . . substance[s] or matter which [are] emitted into or otherwise ente[r] the ambient air,” 42 U. S. C. §7602(g). It follows that everything airborne, from Frisbees to flatulence, qualifies as an “air pollutant.” This reading of the statute defies common sense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Endangered Species act is similar.  It protects small fish and subspecies of owl.  Congress ignores a characteristic of bureaucracies: expand. 

Parkinson, Cyril Northcote. 1993. Parkinson’s Law. Buccaneer Books, February.
Peter, Laurence J., and Raymond Hull. 2009. The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong. 1st ed. HarperBusiness, April 1.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Issa </strong>and <strong>Inhofe </strong>should take note of sloppy work by legislators (Congress) in writing the Clean Air Act:</p>
<p>Justice Stevens. 2007. MASSACHUSETTS ET AL. v. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY ET AL. April 2. <a href="http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-1120.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-1120.pdf</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Page 26 (Opinion): The statutory text forecloses EPA’s reading. The Clean Air Act’s sweeping definition of “air pollutant” includes “any air pollution agent or combination of such agents, including any physical, chemical . . . substance or matter which is emitted into or otherwise enters the ambient air . . . .” §7602(g) (emphasis added).</p>
<p>On its face, the definition embraces all airborne compounds of whatever stripe, and underscores that intent through the repeated use of the word “any.”[25] Carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and hydrofluorocarbons are without a doubt “physical [and] chemical . . . substance[s] which [are] emitted into . . . the ambient air.” The statute is unambiguous.</p></blockquote>
<p>And:</p>
<blockquote><p>SCALIA, J. (Dissenting, Page 10 footnote 2):  Not only is EPA’s interpretation reasonable, it is far more plausible than the Court’s alternative. As the Court correctly points out, “all airborne compounds of whatever stripe,” ante, at 26, would qualify as “physical, chemical, . . . substance[s] or matter which [are] emitted into or otherwise ente[r] the ambient air,” 42 U. S. C. §7602(g). It follows that everything airborne, from Frisbees to flatulence, qualifies as an “air pollutant.” This reading of the statute defies common sense.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Endangered Species act is similar.  It protects small fish and subspecies of owl.  Congress ignores a characteristic of bureaucracies: expand. </p>
<p>Parkinson, Cyril Northcote. 1993. Parkinson’s Law. Buccaneer Books, February.<br />
Peter, Laurence J., and Raymond Hull. 2009. The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong. 1st ed. HarperBusiness, April 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooh, Dixie</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/epa-the-endangerment-finding-was-not-a-highly-influential-scientific-assessment/#comment-306693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pooh, Dixie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As to &quot;authority&quot;:

Kazman, Sam. Letter to Environmental Protection Agency. 2009. Re: Proposed Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings for Greenhouse Gases under Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act, Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0171. June 23. http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Endangerment%20Comments%206-23-09.pdf

Email # 3: March 17 email from Mr. McGartland to Mr. Carlin, stating that he will not forward Mr. Carlin’s study. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;“The time for such discussion of fundamental issues has passed for this round. The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision.
…. I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

See also:
Barton, Joe. 2009. 07/16/2009 Followup Letter to EPA on Carlin Report. July 16. http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/News/071609_Followup_Letter_to_EPA_on_Carlin_Report.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to &#8220;authority&#8221;:</p>
<p>Kazman, Sam. Letter to Environmental Protection Agency. 2009. Re: Proposed Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings for Greenhouse Gases under Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act, Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0171. June 23. <a href="http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Endangerment%20Comments%206-23-09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Endangerment%20Comments%206-23-09.pdf</a></p>
<p>Email # 3: March 17 email from Mr. McGartland to Mr. Carlin, stating that he will not forward Mr. Carlin’s study. </p>
<blockquote><p><em>“The time for such discussion of fundamental issues has passed for this round. The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision.<br />
…. I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>See also:<br />
Barton, Joe. 2009. 07/16/2009 Followup Letter to EPA on Carlin Report. July 16. <a href="http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/News/071609_Followup_Letter_to_EPA_on_Carlin_Report.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/News/071609_Followup_Letter_to_EPA_on_Carlin_Report.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I new something was up when the EPA anounced its endangerment finding only a day or two before the international conference.It was all too convienient,and I will never forget it. Why did I feel like I was the only one who could smell a rat, and why did this take so long to be investigated?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I new something was up when the EPA anounced its endangerment finding only a day or two before the international conference.It was all too convienient,and I will never forget it. Why did I feel like I was the only one who could smell a rat, and why did this take so long to be investigated?</p>
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		<title>By: justbeau</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justbeau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EPA is a bureaucracy. Different attorneys can handle different tasks.  They might try to do so honestly, but the net result may be confusion.
Lawyers must rely on staff &quot;scientists&quot; and engineers, who know jargon and some knowledge, but not geniuses.  It would not be easy to maintain a coherent defense against intelligent questions.  
The Agency is headed by people committed to attacking the peril of global warming. They follow the Hockey Team. What are employees to do? Dr. Alan Carlin went public, to his credit. 
As long as the Congress was controlled by Democrats, no questions would be asked. But with the political pendulum swinging,there must be a lot of poor thinking that could be investigated and brought to light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EPA is a bureaucracy. Different attorneys can handle different tasks.  They might try to do so honestly, but the net result may be confusion.<br />
Lawyers must rely on staff &#8220;scientists&#8221; and engineers, who know jargon and some knowledge, but not geniuses.  It would not be easy to maintain a coherent defense against intelligent questions.<br />
The Agency is headed by people committed to attacking the peril of global warming. They follow the Hockey Team. What are employees to do? Dr. Alan Carlin went public, to his credit.<br />
As long as the Congress was controlled by Democrats, no questions would be asked. But with the political pendulum swinging,there must be a lot of poor thinking that could be investigated and brought to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Penrose</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/epa-the-endangerment-finding-was-not-a-highly-influential-scientific-assessment/#comment-306397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Penrose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is, by law the EPA must base all of its findings on EPA assessments, or show that the assessment it used met all of the EPA standards for such things. There is no easy way out of the corner they have painted themselves into.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, by law the EPA must base all of its findings on EPA assessments, or show that the assessment it used met all of the EPA standards for such things. There is no easy way out of the corner they have painted themselves into.</p>
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		<title>By: Don McIlvin</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/epa-the-endangerment-finding-was-not-a-highly-influential-scientific-assessment/#comment-306321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don McIlvin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 03:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may be a bit OT, but not completely.

I noticed in the OIG report on page 38 last paragraph.

&quot;In response to allegations that CRU scientists acted inappropriately in handling their data and improperly influenced the process of advising policymakers, the University of East Anglia commissioned two studies. An April 2010 study, chaired by Professor Ron Oxburgh, examined the integrity of the research published by CRU. A July 2010 study, chaired by Sir Muir Russell, examined the conduct of the CRU scientists. In general, the studies found that there was no deliberative scientific malpractice at CRU, and that there was no evidence of CRU scientists’ behavior that would undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments.&quot;

They generally accepted the report conclusions at face value, unaware of any controversy concerning them. Apparently no CA readers among them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a bit OT, but not completely.</p>
<p>I noticed in the OIG report on page 38 last paragraph.</p>
<p>&#8220;In response to allegations that CRU scientists acted inappropriately in handling their data and improperly influenced the process of advising policymakers, the University of East Anglia commissioned two studies. An April 2010 study, chaired by Professor Ron Oxburgh, examined the integrity of the research published by CRU. A July 2010 study, chaired by Sir Muir Russell, examined the conduct of the CRU scientists. In general, the studies found that there was no deliberative scientific malpractice at CRU, and that there was no evidence of CRU scientists’ behavior that would undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments.&#8221;</p>
<p>They generally accepted the report conclusions at face value, unaware of any controversy concerning them. Apparently no CA readers among them.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Jeff, but yes it does, especially if one is a Brit ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Jeff, but yes it does, especially if one is a Brit <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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