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	<title>Comments on: Seminar on Penn State &#8220;Inquiry&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Ripantuck</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-309366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ripantuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anyone has seen the sports news today in the U.S., the top story concerns the resignations of Penn State&#039;s President and Athletic Director over another cover up concerning the behavior of a former Assistant Coach.

Perhaps the new administration will be more likely to revisit this farce of an inquiry on Dr. Mann&#039;s conduct. It may be a good idea to send a letter to the new President, after giving him/her an opportunity to get oriented in his/her new position, asking that this inquiry be revisited based on a new standard of responsibility, rather than being based soley on the amount of money a staffer brings to the University.

It seems that both the football program and the climate studies area have both been untouchable-until today!

Rip]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone has seen the sports news today in the U.S., the top story concerns the resignations of Penn State&#8217;s President and Athletic Director over another cover up concerning the behavior of a former Assistant Coach.</p>
<p>Perhaps the new administration will be more likely to revisit this farce of an inquiry on Dr. Mann&#8217;s conduct. It may be a good idea to send a letter to the new President, after giving him/her an opportunity to get oriented in his/her new position, asking that this inquiry be revisited based on a new standard of responsibility, rather than being based soley on the amount of money a staffer brings to the University.</p>
<p>It seems that both the football program and the climate studies area have both been untouchable-until today!</p>
<p>Rip</p>
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		<title>By: John Tillman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-309068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Tillman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would appear that Penn State investigated charges of child sex abuse in Paterno&#039;s iconic football program with the same assiduousness as it did statistical abuse in Mann&#039;s iconic hockey stick graph.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would appear that Penn State investigated charges of child sex abuse in Paterno&#8217;s iconic football program with the same assiduousness as it did statistical abuse in Mann&#8217;s iconic hockey stick graph.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Frank</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306783</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, Pete. There&#039;s always lots more to be learned.  And if we&#039;re really lucky, there always will be a lot more to be learned. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Pete. There&#8217;s always lots more to be learned.  And if we&#8217;re really lucky, there always will be a lot more to be learned. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MrPete</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrPete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are quite a few related frontier topics, made more difficult by the fact that on a galactic scale we only have ~one observation point. Sure, everything looks fine from a single observation point.

Then we send out our first deep-space probes...and discover they are being affected in ways that don&#039;t fit the math particularly well. And thus we discover that there&#039;s always a lot more to be learned :) :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are quite a few related frontier topics, made more difficult by the fact that on a galactic scale we only have ~one observation point. Sure, everything looks fine from a single observation point.</p>
<p>Then we send out our first deep-space probes&#8230;and discover they are being affected in ways that don&#8217;t fit the math particularly well. And thus we discover that there&#8217;s always a lot more to be learned <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306740</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apologies to Pat Frank that in a busy week I didn&#039;t check back on Climate Audit until now. That&#039;s quite some hare you got running!

I&#039;m responding to Pat &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306593&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;below&lt;/a&gt; by the way. Thank you for the perspective on why 26-28 (or thereabouts) was so extraordinarily creative. I certainly agree that it wasn&#039;t just about experimental data. Planck opened the door but the quality of other men - not least Dirac - was I believe critical. Iron sharpens iron. Polkinghorne&#039;s first-hand report from Dirac, as he taught undergraduates the maths of quantum physics in the late 70s, left a deep impression.

I won&#039;t comment on the program of Enlightenment rationality part, much though I&#039;m interested in the positives and negatives (like Isaiah Berlin) of the Big E. Because my focus really wasn&#039;t at all on Polkinghorne as priest but as reporter of Dirac&#039;s testimony in the 50s, in the light of the fascinating point you made about Poincare (with which I fully agreed).

Indeed, I hesitated to mention Michael Polanyi&#039;s conversion to Catholicism but it seemed necessary somehow in the light of the shocking sequel at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute. Here&#039;s another Jewish witness who as far as I know didn&#039;t see fit to convert, the pathologist Miklos Nyiszli:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus I learned that the experiments performed here were checked by the highest medical authorities at one of the most famous scientific institutes in the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s from Edwin Black&#039;s &lt;em&gt;War Against the Week&lt;/em&gt;, p360. Only published 2003, it should be required reading for any of us considering how science (or the pretense of science) might also be going wrong in our own generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies to Pat Frank that in a busy week I didn&#8217;t check back on Climate Audit until now. That&#8217;s quite some hare you got running!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m responding to Pat <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306593" rel="nofollow">below</a> by the way. Thank you for the perspective on why 26-28 (or thereabouts) was so extraordinarily creative. I certainly agree that it wasn&#8217;t just about experimental data. Planck opened the door but the quality of other men &#8211; not least Dirac &#8211; was I believe critical. Iron sharpens iron. Polkinghorne&#8217;s first-hand report from Dirac, as he taught undergraduates the maths of quantum physics in the late 70s, left a deep impression.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t comment on the program of Enlightenment rationality part, much though I&#8217;m interested in the positives and negatives (like Isaiah Berlin) of the Big E. Because my focus really wasn&#8217;t at all on Polkinghorne as priest but as reporter of Dirac&#8217;s testimony in the 50s, in the light of the fascinating point you made about Poincare (with which I fully agreed).</p>
<p>Indeed, I hesitated to mention Michael Polanyi&#8217;s conversion to Catholicism but it seemed necessary somehow in the light of the shocking sequel at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute. Here&#8217;s another Jewish witness who as far as I know didn&#8217;t see fit to convert, the pathologist Miklos Nyiszli:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thus I learned that the experiments performed here were checked by the highest medical authorities at one of the most famous scientific institutes in the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s from Edwin Black&#8217;s <em>War Against the Week</em>, p360. Only published 2003, it should be required reading for any of us considering how science (or the pretense of science) might also be going wrong in our own generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Biddyb</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306727</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Biddyb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And his new book, of course..........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And his new book, of course&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MrPete</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306715</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrPete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny that the assumption that observations are uniformly applicable anywhere in the universe shows up here. A non-provable assertion... which in the case of dendro measurements is demonstrably false over the space of a few centimeters in some cases. The last few years here at CA have taught me to be way more humble about my assumptions than I used to be! :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that the assumption that observations are uniformly applicable anywhere in the universe shows up here. A non-provable assertion&#8230; which in the case of dendro measurements is demonstrably false over the space of a few centimeters in some cases. The last few years here at CA have taught me to be way more humble about my assumptions than I used to be! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DaveJR</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DaveJR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Offtopic,

I believe the &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/10/the-paleoclimate-reconstruction-grand-challenge/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paleoclimate Reconstruction Challenge&lt;/a&gt; has finished. The original website is 404, but it seems the results can be found on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://hurricane.ncdc.noaa.gov/pls/paleox/f?p=503:1:4099143415255794:::::&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NOAA website&lt;/a&gt;. Any chance of an update?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offtopic,</p>
<p>I believe the <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/10/the-paleoclimate-reconstruction-grand-challenge/" rel="nofollow">Paleoclimate Reconstruction Challenge</a> has finished. The original website is 404, but it seems the results can be found on the <a href="http://hurricane.ncdc.noaa.gov/pls/paleox/f?p=503:1:4099143415255794:::::" rel="nofollow">NOAA website</a>. Any chance of an update?</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This discussion is getting way off topic.  Please stick to Brune&#039;s comments on the Penn State inquiry, per blog policy.  

If Lubos is interested in Polkinghorne, feel free to continue this discussion on his site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion is getting way off topic.  Please stick to Brune&#8217;s comments on the Penn State inquiry, per blog policy.  </p>
<p>If Lubos is interested in Polkinghorne, feel free to continue this discussion on his site.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/10/04/seminar-on-penn-state-inquiry/#comment-306649</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell you about that,
Gonna take a little while.
Boom!  Shanka-La!-La?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell you about that,<br />
Gonna take a little while.<br />
Boom!  Shanka-La!-La?<br />
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