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		<title>By: Surface Stations &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-345307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surface Stations &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] impact of contamination of surface stations, a point made in a CA post on Berkeley last fall here. Over the continental US, the UAH satellite record shows a trend of 0.29 deg C/decade (TLT) from [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] impact of contamination of surface stations, a point made in a CA post on Berkeley last fall here. Over the continental US, the UAH satellite record shows a trend of 0.29 deg C/decade (TLT) from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Coldish</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-309126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coldish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NASA workers found, for instance, that the UHI effect at Providence, Rhode Island (which is set in largely forested surroundings) peaks at about 12 degrees C (22 F), while at Buffalo, NY (mostly surrounded by farmland), it peaks at about 7 degrees C (13 F). How did BEST account for such data in their finding that UHI is negligible? 
At Providence some of the hottest areas appear to be in and around the airport.  How do the BEST team take the &#039;Airport Effect&#039; into account in calculating single station temperature trends for those stations which happen to be sited at airports?   
As Buffalo and Providence have roughly similar population size, can one also conclude that there exists a &#039;Farmland v Forest&#039; effect amounting in some cases to something of the order of 5 degrees C (9 F)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NASA workers found, for instance, that the UHI effect at Providence, Rhode Island (which is set in largely forested surroundings) peaks at about 12 degrees C (22 F), while at Buffalo, NY (mostly surrounded by farmland), it peaks at about 7 degrees C (13 F). How did BEST account for such data in their finding that UHI is negligible?<br />
At Providence some of the hottest areas appear to be in and around the airport.  How do the BEST team take the &#8216;Airport Effect&#8217; into account in calculating single station temperature trends for those stations which happen to be sited at airports?<br />
As Buffalo and Providence have roughly similar population size, can one also conclude that there exists a &#8216;Farmland v Forest&#8217; effect amounting in some cases to something of the order of 5 degrees C (9 F)?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-309107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NASA suggests that in desert regions UHI might be low or negative.

&quot;In a quirk of surface heating, the suburban areas around desert cities are actually cooler than both the city center and the outer rural areas because the irrigation of lawns and small farms leads to more moisture in the air from plants that would not naturally grow in the region.

 &quot;If you build a city in an area that is naturally forested -- such as Atlanta or Baltimore -- you are making a much deeper alteration of the ecosystem,&quot; said Imhoff. &quot;In semi-arid areas with less vegetation -- like Las Vegas or Phoenix -- you are making less of a change in the energy balance of the landscape.&quot;&quot;

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/terra/news/heat-islands.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA suggests that in desert regions UHI might be low or negative.</p>
<p>&#8220;In a quirk of surface heating, the suburban areas around desert cities are actually cooler than both the city center and the outer rural areas because the irrigation of lawns and small farms leads to more moisture in the air from plants that would not naturally grow in the region.</p>
<p> &#8220;If you build a city in an area that is naturally forested &#8212; such as Atlanta or Baltimore &#8212; you are making a much deeper alteration of the ecosystem,&#8221; said Imhoff. &#8220;In semi-arid areas with less vegetation &#8212; like Las Vegas or Phoenix &#8212; you are making less of a change in the energy balance of the landscape.&#8221;"</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/terra/news/heat-islands.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/terra/news/heat-islands.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Un-Muddying the Waters &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-309086</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Un-Muddying the Waters &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] few days ago, in a comment at CA, NASA blogger Gavin Schmidt stated that, over land, the ratio of lower troposphere trends to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few days ago, in a comment at CA, NASA blogger Gavin Schmidt stated that, over land, the ratio of lower troposphere trends to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-308933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;buildings and surfaces dont move. they are also what causes UHI.&quot;

No, but they do appear over time where they didn&#039;t exist before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;buildings and surfaces dont move. they are also what causes UHI.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but they do appear over time where they didn&#8217;t exist before.</p>
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		<title>By: jjthoms</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-308932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jjthoms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been looking at the output of the &quot;discover&quot; page run by Spencer.
I believe this is the valid satellite record? If not the I have wasted my time!

see here:
http://climateandstuff.blogspot.com/

I have recorded rge data before NOAA-15 started failing, and have compared this data with the now used AQUA. 

Despite an overlap of 7+ years the two data streams have not been &quot;homogenised&quot;

In consequence the absolute temperatures have differences of up to 2K and the slopes of the data vary all over the place.

Why is the latest values from these proxy temperatures considered a golden standard when the whims of the convertor can simply change the data??!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking at the output of the &#8220;discover&#8221; page run by Spencer.<br />
I believe this is the valid satellite record? If not the I have wasted my time!</p>
<p>see here:<br />
<a href="http://climateandstuff.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://climateandstuff.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>I have recorded rge data before NOAA-15 started failing, and have compared this data with the now used AQUA. </p>
<p>Despite an overlap of 7+ years the two data streams have not been &#8220;homogenised&#8221;</p>
<p>In consequence the absolute temperatures have differences of up to 2K and the slopes of the data vary all over the place.</p>
<p>Why is the latest values from these proxy temperatures considered a golden standard when the whims of the convertor can simply change the data??!!!</p>
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		<title>By: It's been a bad week for deniers - Page 6 - PriusChat Forums</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-308926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[It's been a bad week for deniers - Page 6 - PriusChat Forums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eschenbach and McIntyre - Seeing the BEST part of the Satellite Temperature Record?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-308906</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eschenbach and McIntyre - Seeing the BEST part of the Satellite Temperature Record?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] discussed a range of problems with recent posts by Willis Eschenbach at WUWT and Steve McIntyre at ClimateAudit. As a part of this we detailed how Eschenbach had presented data from the UAH and RSS Satellite [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] discussed a range of problems with recent posts by Willis Eschenbach at WUWT and Steve McIntyre at ClimateAudit. As a part of this we detailed how Eschenbach had presented data from the UAH and RSS Satellite [...]</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-308882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 02:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then the BEST very rural count as rural.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then the BEST very rural count as rural.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/01/closing-thoughts-on-best/#comment-308881</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 02:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed.

 Listen carefully. When you select very rural with no built pixels within 11km you get areas where the population is 0 to 5 people per sq km

And you can also look at land use.

And when you look at stations with zero population and no land use issues..

Guess what?

they are not on average much different from all the rest. Less than .1C per decade.

The world is warming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed.</p>
<p> Listen carefully. When you select very rural with no built pixels within 11km you get areas where the population is 0 to 5 people per sq km</p>
<p>And you can also look at land use.</p>
<p>And when you look at stations with zero population and no land use issues..</p>
<p>Guess what?</p>
<p>they are not on average much different from all the rest. Less than .1C per decade.</p>
<p>The world is warming.</p>
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