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		<title>By: Scientific Consensus, Leadership &#38; Stephen Schneider &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-323993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientific Consensus, Leadership &#38; Stephen Schneider &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] UPDATE: I missed it at the time, but Ross McKitrick responded to Schneider&#8217;s e-mail last November, after the Climategate 2 e-mails became public. Read that here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: I missed it at the time, but Ross McKitrick responded to Schneider&#8217;s e-mail last November, after the Climategate 2 e-mails became public. Read that here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scientific Consensus, Leadership &#38; Stephen Schneider &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-323992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientific Consensus, Leadership &#38; Stephen Schneider &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] UPDATE: I missed it at the time, but Ross McKitrick actually responded to Schneider&#8217;s e-mail last November, after the Climategate 2 e-mails became public. Read that here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: I missed it at the time, but Ross McKitrick actually responded to Schneider&#8217;s e-mail last November, after the Climategate 2 e-mails became public. Read that here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Un contexto para los cafres del clima (IPCC). &#171; PlazaMoyua.com</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-314910</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Un contexto para los cafres del clima (IPCC). &#171; PlazaMoyua.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] es un email que fue enviado en 2003 por un científico muy relevante, Stephen Schneider, a una larga lista de [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Climategate: Of thumbnails, big pictures and timing &#171; The View From Here</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-313659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climategate: Of thumbnails, big pictures and timing &#171; The View From Here]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] context for many of the more revealing emails in CG1 &#8211; and at least one from CG2 in which the writer probably depended on no one ever checking the context &#8211; as well as indications that during the various [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] context for many of the more revealing emails in CG1 &#8211; and at least one from CG2 in which the writer probably depended on no one ever checking the context &#8211; as well as indications that during the various [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hro001</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-313332</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard,

&lt;blockquote&gt;FOIA couldn’t have known the context which would make Schneider look so bad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t be so sure about that!  Given what we can reasonably surmise about the skills of The Saint (as I prefer to call FOIA), it would be a relatively simple matter for her/him to check Ross&#039;s site (and/or the National Post archives at whatever point he had discovered this email) for a likely original, don&#039;t you think?  Not to mention that s/he would by now have considerable trust that at least one of us &quot;good guys&quot; would find the context!

One of the things that surprised me in the early days after the release of Climategate 1.0 was the Phelim McAleer video (at Copenhagen), in which Schneider was asked for his opinion on Jones&#039;s &quot;delete the emails&quot; request.  Considering his reputation as the &quot;great communicator&quot; of climate science, Schneider&#039;s body language facial expressions, and evasiveness, struck me as being those of a somewhat terrified rabbit - rather than those of one who had the confidence and courage of his convictions.

Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to the video. 

Not that I disagree that the &quot;cherry-picking&quot; charge certainly lacks credibility!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<blockquote><p>FOIA couldn’t have known the context which would make Schneider look so bad.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so sure about that!  Given what we can reasonably surmise about the skills of The Saint (as I prefer to call FOIA), it would be a relatively simple matter for her/him to check Ross&#8217;s site (and/or the National Post archives at whatever point he had discovered this email) for a likely original, don&#8217;t you think?  Not to mention that s/he would by now have considerable trust that at least one of us &#8220;good guys&#8221; would find the context!</p>
<p>One of the things that surprised me in the early days after the release of Climategate 1.0 was the Phelim McAleer video (at Copenhagen), in which Schneider was asked for his opinion on Jones&#8217;s &#8220;delete the emails&#8221; request.  Considering his reputation as the &#8220;great communicator&#8221; of climate science, Schneider&#8217;s body language facial expressions, and evasiveness, struck me as being those of a somewhat terrified rabbit &#8211; rather than those of one who had the confidence and courage of his convictions.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI" rel="nofollow">link</a> to the video. </p>
<p>Not that I disagree that the &#8220;cherry-picking&#8221; charge certainly lacks credibility!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Smith</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-313247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google the following: &quot;ken smith&quot; &quot;on point&quot; wbur]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google the following: &#8220;ken smith&#8221; &#8220;on point&#8221; wbur</p>
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		<title>By: AntonyIndia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AntonyIndia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen Schneider had quite a history in trumpeting his science to the media. After publishing about global cooling he swung to the other camp. His most infamous quote can still be read here: http://www.americanphysicalsociety.com/publications/apsnews/199603/upload/mar96.pdf

“Scientist should consider stretching the truth to get some broad base support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of
media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
mention about any doubts we might have.

This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves in
cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.”

See also http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199608/environmental.cfm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Schneider had quite a history in trumpeting his science to the media. After publishing about global cooling he swung to the other camp. His most infamous quote can still be read here: <a href="http://www.americanphysicalsociety.com/publications/apsnews/199603/upload/mar96.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanphysicalsociety.com/publications/apsnews/199603/upload/mar96.pdf</a></p>
<p>“Scientist should consider stretching the truth to get some broad base support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of<br />
media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little<br />
mention about any doubts we might have.</p>
<p>This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves in<br />
cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.”</p>
<p>See also <a href="http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199608/environmental.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199608/environmental.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: TAC</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-313053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TAC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ross, thank you for providing this reply. At one level, it is just another example of appalling behavior by Schneider. Still, it does matter, and you are right to call him on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross, thank you for providing this reply. At one level, it is just another example of appalling behavior by Schneider. Still, it does matter, and you are right to call him on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/a-somewhat-late-response-to-schneider/#comment-313011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rereading the Appleyard myself I found myself thinking again about his and John Gray&#039;s wider point - Gray being as political philosopher and another close friend and confidante of the author. My response: if a boy cries wolf a number of times, is believed by many and this has serious negative consequences for the village as a whole, the residents can legitimately become very wary of the person concerned without denying the existence of wolves or their dangers in general. They may be other environmental problems down the line. The eco-catastrophists have done us no favours in identifying them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rereading the Appleyard myself I found myself thinking again about his and John Gray&#8217;s wider point &#8211; Gray being as political philosopher and another close friend and confidante of the author. My response: if a boy cries wolf a number of times, is believed by many and this has serious negative consequences for the village as a whole, the residents can legitimately become very wary of the person concerned without denying the existence of wolves or their dangers in general. They may be other environmental problems down the line. The eco-catastrophists have done us no favours in identifying them.</p>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure it is that much O/T in so far as I/we are trying to understand the source of the vitriol displayed in Schneider&#039;s attack on Ross.  Thanks for the reference - I found the article a bit too precious for me.  I think Lomborg&#039;s Skeptical Environmentalist is actually as good as anything Wilson has written.  My sense is that Schneider and Erhlich are joined at the hip and that the critique of Ross and Lomborg originates from the same animosity to empiricists who puncture the balloons of the ecocatastrophists.  The excuse for engaging in Schneider type character assassination may be similar to the justification for the Inquisition - we will save their souls by destroying their bodies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure it is that much O/T in so far as I/we are trying to understand the source of the vitriol displayed in Schneider&#8217;s attack on Ross.  Thanks for the reference &#8211; I found the article a bit too precious for me.  I think Lomborg&#8217;s Skeptical Environmentalist is actually as good as anything Wilson has written.  My sense is that Schneider and Erhlich are joined at the hip and that the critique of Ross and Lomborg originates from the same animosity to empiricists who puncture the balloons of the ecocatastrophists.  The excuse for engaging in Schneider type character assassination may be similar to the justification for the Inquisition &#8211; we will save their souls by destroying their bodies.</p>
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