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		<title>By: Girma</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-322267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Girma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre

When are you going to be awarded for your contribution to the truth; i.e. science?

That was a brilliant article, Steve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve McIntyre</p>
<p>When are you going to be awarded for your contribution to the truth; i.e. science?</p>
<p>That was a brilliant article, Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: The Top Ten Signs That You&#8217;re A Denier &#124; The Policy Lass</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-321135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Top Ten Signs That You&#8217;re A Denier &#124; The Policy Lass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Tim Ball, Canada&#8217;s Climate Denier Extraordinaire is the exemplar of this, although Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick started the meme and keep propagating it. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tim Ball, Canada&#8217;s Climate Denier Extraordinaire is the exemplar of this, although Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick started the meme and keep propagating it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Team knew &#8216;hockey stick&#8217; reconstruction was wrong &#124; JunkScience.com</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-315117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Team knew &#8216;hockey stick&#8217; reconstruction was wrong &#124; JunkScience.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Soon &amp; Baliunas (2003). They know that much of the material in their own paper is wrong. See here for more detail. 0682.txt: &#8220; By chance SB03 may have got some of these precip things right, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Soon &amp; Baliunas (2003). They know that much of the material in their own paper is wrong. See here for more detail. 0682.txt: &#8220; By chance SB03 may have got some of these precip things right, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hu McCulloch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-314965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hu McCulloch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be clear, &quot;c***&quot; is Bradley&#039;s term, not mine, and I appologize to Prof. Yang and co-authors for having repeated it so casually.  

That said, I think it would be ideal if future studies would disaggregate the Yang series back into the 9 series that they have identified as informative, and then to evaluate each on its own merits.  Even if some of the individual series turn out to be dubious, Yang and co-authors have performed a useful service by identifying and compiling several series that otherwise might have escaped Western attention.  Disaggregation would also allow the data to be used with more geographical precision.  

As it stands, the Yang composite shows a strong MWP and LIA, and then turns up at the end comparably to the MWP.  (See plots in my SI linked above).  No one denies that the 20th c has been warm in comparison to the LIA or even 19th c, so it appears to shed useful light on just how warm we are relative to the MWP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear, &#8220;c***&#8221; is Bradley&#8217;s term, not mine, and I appologize to Prof. Yang and co-authors for having repeated it so casually.  </p>
<p>That said, I think it would be ideal if future studies would disaggregate the Yang series back into the 9 series that they have identified as informative, and then to evaluate each on its own merits.  Even if some of the individual series turn out to be dubious, Yang and co-authors have performed a useful service by identifying and compiling several series that otherwise might have escaped Western attention.  Disaggregation would also allow the data to be used with more geographical precision.  </p>
<p>As it stands, the Yang composite shows a strong MWP and LIA, and then turns up at the end comparably to the MWP.  (See plots in my SI linked above).  No one denies that the 20th c has been warm in comparison to the LIA or even 19th c, so it appears to shed useful light on just how warm we are relative to the MWP.</p>
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		<title>By: Moderate Low Weight &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-314787</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moderate Low Weight &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 20:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] post is by Jean S.) A few days ago Steve discussed Raymond Bradley&#8217;s objection to use of the Yang Chinese composite reconstruction in the Mann [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post is by Jean S.) A few days ago Steve discussed Raymond Bradley&#8217;s objection to use of the Yang Chinese composite reconstruction in the Mann [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Climate Gate 2.0 – What is it, why does it matter?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-313713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Climate Gate 2.0 – What is it, why does it matter?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Scientists who presented a united front that equated anyone who questioned the Mann reconstruction or the CRU database as being on the par with Holocaust Deniers in their emails to each other admitted discomfort, confusion and doubt with their pronouncements in private. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Scientists who presented a united front that equated anyone who questioned the Mann reconstruction or the CRU database as being on the par with Holocaust Deniers in their emails to each other admitted discomfort, confusion and doubt with their pronouncements in private. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Loehle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Loehle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[secret squirrel....vs posting all data and code...hmmmm  which should I choose...hard decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>secret squirrel&#8230;.vs posting all data and code&#8230;hmmmm  which should I choose&#8230;hard decision.</p>
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		<title>By: BobN</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-313243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BobN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While you are, of course, correct that &quot;emend&quot; means to correct a faulty text, you are incorrect that &quot;amend&quot; only means when one pays compenstion for a wrong (or even that compensation is necesary for one to amend one&#039;s wrong.  &quot;To change for the better&quot; or &quot;change to fix mistakes&quot; are probably the most common definitons for the word &quot;Amend&quot;.  Why do they call changes to the US Constitution &quot;Amendments&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you are, of course, correct that &#8220;emend&#8221; means to correct a faulty text, you are incorrect that &#8220;amend&#8221; only means when one pays compenstion for a wrong (or even that compensation is necesary for one to amend one&#8217;s wrong.  &#8220;To change for the better&#8221; or &#8220;change to fix mistakes&#8221; are probably the most common definitons for the word &#8220;Amend&#8221;.  Why do they call changes to the US Constitution &#8220;Amendments&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Alix James</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/25/behind-closed-doors-perpetuating-rubbish/#comment-313213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alix James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: 2519

&lt;b&gt;Lets let our &lt;i&gt;supporters in higher places&lt;/i&gt; use our scientific response to push the broader case against MM. So I look forward to peoples attempts to revise the first par. particular.

&lt;i&gt;I took the liberty of forwarding the previous draft to a handfull of our closet&lt;/i&gt; colleagues&lt;/b&gt;

Sounds like a Stonecutters meeting...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: 2519</p>
<p><b>Lets let our <i>supporters in higher places</i> use our scientific response to push the broader case against MM. So I look forward to peoples attempts to revise the first par. particular.</p>
<p><i>I took the liberty of forwarding the previous draft to a handfull of our closet</i> colleagues</b></p>
<p>Sounds like a Stonecutters meeting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alix James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alix James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Isn’t it like with models, each one of them being rubbish but magically considered relevant as an ensemble?&lt;/b&gt;

Kinda sounds like the housing collapse in 2008: each of the mortgages were rubbish, but magically considered viable as an ensemble...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Isn’t it like with models, each one of them being rubbish but magically considered relevant as an ensemble?</b></p>
<p>Kinda sounds like the housing collapse in 2008: each of the mortgages were rubbish, but magically considered viable as an ensemble&#8230;</p>
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