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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Montford on the Transformation of the Royal Society</title>
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		<title>By: suvtoday</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-364032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[suvtoday]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it fascinating that NAS, AGU, Royal Society, Nature Editorial Staff, etc could somehow in almost group think style all begin to become more activist in nature rather than more objective in nature.  Not sure how that transition occurs in large organizations...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it fascinating that NAS, AGU, Royal Society, Nature Editorial Staff, etc could somehow in almost group think style all begin to become more activist in nature rather than more objective in nature.  Not sure how that transition occurs in large organizations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Poynton</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Poynton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Link to Andrew&#039;s report is broken. It should read

http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/montford-royal_society.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link to Andrew&#8217;s report is broken. It should read</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/montford-royal_society.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/montford-royal_society.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deutsche Bank 2008 Annual report (and also 2009, though 2008 was definitely before Climategate emails Part 1).
Members of the Climate Change Advisory Board
  Lord Browne, Managing Director and Managing Partner (Europe), Riverstone 
  Holdings LLC and former CEO of BP 
  John Coomber, Member of the Board of Directors, Swiss Re and Chairman, The 
  Climate Group 
  Fabio Feldmann, CEO, Fabio Feldmann Consultores and former Executive 
  Secretary, Brazilian Forum on Climate Change 
  Amory B. Lovins, Chairman and Chief Sientist, Rocky Mountain Institute 
  Lord Oxburgh, Member of the Advisory Board, Climate Change Capital and Former 
  Chairman of Shell 
  Dr. R. K. Pachauri, Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 
  Professor Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, CBE, Founding Director of Potsdam 
  Institut for Climate Impact Research 
  Professor Robert Socolow, Co-Director, The Carbon Mitigation Initiative and 
  Professor, Princeton University 
  Professor Klaus Töpfer, Former Minister for Environment, Germany  
  Professor Hongren Zhang, Former President, International Union of Geological 
  Science and former Vice Minister of Geology and Mineral Resources.
I found it interesting to search H-J S, now Potsdam Institute, in the full Climategate set. You might too, especially re Tyndall Centre. Indeed, all of them are interesting in their various ways, some by contributing vast big oil $$$ to skeptics.(/sarc)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deutsche Bank 2008 Annual report (and also 2009, though 2008 was definitely before Climategate emails Part 1).<br />
Members of the Climate Change Advisory Board<br />
  Lord Browne, Managing Director and Managing Partner (Europe), Riverstone<br />
  Holdings LLC and former CEO of BP<br />
  John Coomber, Member of the Board of Directors, Swiss Re and Chairman, The<br />
  Climate Group<br />
  Fabio Feldmann, CEO, Fabio Feldmann Consultores and former Executive<br />
  Secretary, Brazilian Forum on Climate Change<br />
  Amory B. Lovins, Chairman and Chief Sientist, Rocky Mountain Institute<br />
  Lord Oxburgh, Member of the Advisory Board, Climate Change Capital and Former<br />
  Chairman of Shell<br />
  Dr. R. K. Pachauri, Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change<br />
  Professor Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, CBE, Founding Director of Potsdam<br />
  Institut for Climate Impact Research<br />
  Professor Robert Socolow, Co-Director, The Carbon Mitigation Initiative and<br />
  Professor, Princeton University<br />
  Professor Klaus Töpfer, Former Minister for Environment, Germany<br />
  Professor Hongren Zhang, Former President, International Union of Geological<br />
  Science and former Vice Minister of Geology and Mineral Resources.<br />
I found it interesting to search H-J S, now Potsdam Institute, in the full Climategate set. You might too, especially re Tyndall Centre. Indeed, all of them are interesting in their various ways, some by contributing vast big oil $$$ to skeptics.(/sarc)</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Green</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Solomon Green]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those interested in following matthu&#039;s excerpts from the January 2010 debate in the House of Lords may notice that, according to Hansard, Oxburgh failed to declare his financial interests when intervening in that debate although, when he came to advocating carbon capture, he did mention his involvement as the honorary president of the Carbon Capture &amp; Storage Association.

For the record the following extract from The Record shows what he could, and most of believe that he should, have declared. 

&quot;...Oxburgh is also a director of GLOBE, the Global Legislators Organisation for a Balanced Environment.

GLOBE may be too obscure to merit its own Wikipedia entry, but that belies its wealth and influence. It funds meetings for parliamentarians worldwide with an interest in climate change, and prior to the Copenhagen Summit GLOBE issued guidelines (pdf) for legislators. Little expense is spared: in one year alone, one peer - Lord Michael Jay of Ewelme - enjoyed seven club class flights and hotel accommodation, at GLOBE&#039;s expense. There&#039;s no greater love a Parliamentarian can give to the global warming cause. And in return, Globe lists Oxburgh as one of 23 key legislators. 
...

In the House of Lords Register of Lords&#039; Interests, Oxburgh lists under remunerated directorships his chairmanship of Falck Renewables, and chairmanship of Blue NG, a renewable power company. (Oxburgh holds no shares in Falck Renewables, and serves as a non-exec chairman.) He also declares that he is an advisor to Climate Change Capital, to the Low Carbon Initiative, Evo-Electric, Fujitsu, and an environmental advisor to Deutsche Bank.&quot;

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/24/climategate_oxburgh_globe/

Was this not the reason that the man chosen to chair the investigating panel?  He was what Sir Humphrey would call a safe pair of hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those interested in following matthu&#8217;s excerpts from the January 2010 debate in the House of Lords may notice that, according to Hansard, Oxburgh failed to declare his financial interests when intervening in that debate although, when he came to advocating carbon capture, he did mention his involvement as the honorary president of the Carbon Capture &amp; Storage Association.</p>
<p>For the record the following extract from The Record shows what he could, and most of believe that he should, have declared. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Oxburgh is also a director of GLOBE, the Global Legislators Organisation for a Balanced Environment.</p>
<p>GLOBE may be too obscure to merit its own Wikipedia entry, but that belies its wealth and influence. It funds meetings for parliamentarians worldwide with an interest in climate change, and prior to the Copenhagen Summit GLOBE issued guidelines (pdf) for legislators. Little expense is spared: in one year alone, one peer &#8211; Lord Michael Jay of Ewelme &#8211; enjoyed seven club class flights and hotel accommodation, at GLOBE&#8217;s expense. There&#8217;s no greater love a Parliamentarian can give to the global warming cause. And in return, Globe lists Oxburgh as one of 23 key legislators.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>In the House of Lords Register of Lords&#8217; Interests, Oxburgh lists under remunerated directorships his chairmanship of Falck Renewables, and chairmanship of Blue NG, a renewable power company. (Oxburgh holds no shares in Falck Renewables, and serves as a non-exec chairman.) He also declares that he is an advisor to Climate Change Capital, to the Low Carbon Initiative, Evo-Electric, Fujitsu, and an environmental advisor to Deutsche Bank.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/24/climategate_oxburgh_globe/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/24/climategate_oxburgh_globe/</a></p>
<p>Was this not the reason that the man chosen to chair the investigating panel?  He was what Sir Humphrey would call a safe pair of hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jackson</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting one, Geoff
I posted at Bishop Hill earlier today:- I have just been re-reading Anthony Browne&#039;s &quot;The Retreat of Reason&quot; which charts the development of Political Correctness. Interestingly his introduction deals with the &#039;myth of heterosexual AIDS&#039;.
The parallel with global warming (which as I recall he doesn&#039;t actually mention in the book) is as plain as it could be just about from page 1!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting one, Geoff<br />
I posted at Bishop Hill earlier today:- I have just been re-reading Anthony Browne&#8217;s &#8220;The Retreat of Reason&#8221; which charts the development of Political Correctness. Interestingly his introduction deals with the &#8216;myth of heterosexual AIDS&#8217;.<br />
The parallel with global warming (which as I recall he doesn&#8217;t actually mention in the book) is as plain as it could be just about from page 1!</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Montford has articulated well here a message that goes well beyond The Royal Society. I have surmised that he intended for the warnings he presents to be applied to all quasi-private organizations interested in science. Nothing evil just that we reap what we sow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Montford has articulated well here a message that goes well beyond The Royal Society. I have surmised that he intended for the warnings he presents to be applied to all quasi-private organizations interested in science. Nothing evil just that we reap what we sow.</p>
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		<title>By: frost</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324205</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you. The one at the top of the post no longer works and should be updated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. The one at the top of the post no longer works and should be updated.</p>
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		<title>By: theduke</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324204</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theduke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A fellow named John Brockman has taken Snow&#039;s ideas one step further in a 1995 book titled &quot;The Third Culture.&quot;  

http://www.edge.org/documents/ThirdCulture/d-Contents.html

edge.org is a very dynamic website.  Many of you who comment here on climateaudit might be interested in what he and all his contributors have to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fellow named John Brockman has taken Snow&#8217;s ideas one step further in a 1995 book titled &#8220;The Third Culture.&#8221;  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.edge.org/documents/ThirdCulture/d-Contents.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.edge.org/documents/ThirdCulture/d-Contents.html</a></p>
<p>edge.org is a very dynamic website.  Many of you who comment here on climateaudit might be interested in what he and all his contributors have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/09/andrew-montford-on-the-transformation-of-the-royal-society/#comment-324189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m less pessimistic than you (or Andrew) about “corruption”. Yes, some of these things are frustrating, but lots of things in the world are frustrating.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure where Andrew stands but when I read something as broad brush as this from Lewis my agnosticism kicks in - some that didn&#039;t know me might even call it my humility. For one thing we don&#039;t know the impact of the internet on logical argument and discourse generally, as the next generation which has known nothing else reinvents these things. There are positives and negatives there and I have no idea which will win out. I also fall back on something that I read from Thomas Sowell, who tends to be of a pessimistic frame of mind. He suddenly said that his one hope is the vast number of past intellectuals he&#039;s studied and how often their predictions were way off beam. So he too realises he may be quite wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m less pessimistic than you (or Andrew) about “corruption”. Yes, some of these things are frustrating, but lots of things in the world are frustrating.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where Andrew stands but when I read something as broad brush as this from Lewis my agnosticism kicks in &#8211; some that didn&#8217;t know me might even call it my humility. For one thing we don&#8217;t know the impact of the internet on logical argument and discourse generally, as the next generation which has known nothing else reinvents these things. There are positives and negatives there and I have no idea which will win out. I also fall back on something that I read from Thomas Sowell, who tends to be of a pessimistic frame of mind. He suddenly said that his one hope is the vast number of past intellectuals he&#8217;s studied and how often their predictions were way off beam. So he too realises he may be quite wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact Mann doesn&#039;t mention HSI greatly reduces my desire to read the book. Proper debate requires taking the most cogent statements of those with whom you disagree. I would be genuinely interested in seeing how Mann might counter Andrew&#039;s book. But it&#039;s the same old same old: ignore everything that&#039;s inconvenient. I&#039;ll leave it to others to wade through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact Mann doesn&#8217;t mention HSI greatly reduces my desire to read the book. Proper debate requires taking the most cogent statements of those with whom you disagree. I would be genuinely interested in seeing how Mann might counter Andrew&#8217;s book. But it&#8217;s the same old same old: ignore everything that&#8217;s inconvenient. I&#8217;ll leave it to others to wade through.</p>
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