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	<title>Comments on: Gifford Miller vs AR5 (FOD) Reconstructions</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Gifford Miller vs Upside-Down Kaufman &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-416388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gifford Miller vs Upside-Down Kaufman &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] PAGES2k expanded Kaufman&#8217;s 2009 network to 22 series, adding a number of new series, including Hvitavatn, Iceland, where Kaufman once again has used the data upside down to the interpretation of Gifford Miller, the original author and a very eminent paleoclimatologist. Miller&#8217;s report on Hvitavatn was previously discussed at CA here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PAGES2k expanded Kaufman&#8217;s 2009 network to 22 series, adding a number of new series, including Hvitavatn, Iceland, where Kaufman once again has used the data upside down to the interpretation of Gifford Miller, the original author and a very eminent paleoclimatologist. Miller&#8217;s report on Hvitavatn was previously discussed at CA here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CmacQ</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-334693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CmacQ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for all the errors; involved/evolved, settlement/settle, were/was…
should have proofread the auto-correct before posting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for all the errors; involved/evolved, settlement/settle, were/was…<br />
should have proofread the auto-correct before posting.</p>
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		<title>By: CmacQ</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-334692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CmacQ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gentlemen,

I’m an archaeologist evolved in a long term research project centered on the American Southwest; more specifically the late 13th century collapse of Salado culture of the central Arizona Upland, its brief reorganization in the early 14th century and its final systems failure and disintegration around 1400.   Several years ago we published a paper (2001 Exploring the Gila Horizon. In Kiva 66(4)) that demonstrated a strong case for the rapid abandonment and reoccupation of much of the Tonto-Globe area with similar impacts on much of east-central and southeast Arizona, all centered upon 1300. 
 
Herein, we employed a number of ceramic seriations each focused on discrete geographic/traditional areas. Collectively we sorted the available decorated ceramic data accorded to basic ware types from excavated contexts recovered at several hundred late prehistoric sites. Overall this sample included only assemblages from habitation sites occupied for at least several decades between 1100 and 1400. The general analysis of these data was based simply upon dominant ware types found in each geographic/traditional area. 

In each of the various geographic/traditional areas this methodology identified virtually the same pattern; an extreme bifurcation separating those settlement dominated by Whitewares occupied before 1300 from those established after 1300 and dominated by either Salado Redwares, White Mountain Redware or Northern Mexican Polychromes. There was virtually no overlap. For example in the Tonto-Globe area, assemblages from about a hundred sites established before 1300 all but one small residential loci was abandoned before 1300. In contrast, all of the large habitation sites occupied after 1300, none were established before 1300. 

This finding was correlated with a survey of the chronometrics surrounding the critical ware type (Salado or Roosevelt Redware particularly Gila Polychrome) in order to establish a baseline temporal context for the applicable seriations. We also used ceramic seriations from key chronometric sites; comparing these to those from the appropriate geographic/traditional areas. In the mid and late 90’s it was apparent that the bifurcations represented the boundary between the MWP and LIA, however direct causality was of course a spillover from the Great Drought (1275 -1295). Nonetheless, over the last decade its become increasingly more clear that we are looking at an extremely small aspect of a much larger cyclical climatic oscillation pattern. 

We’re now in the process of writing a series of reports that includes a much larger and more focused data set which correlates ceramics with architectural and settle system patterns from a very large number of sites. Thus, I find Miller’s work intriguing. However, I’m also finding the mechanics as far as the radiocarbon sampling a bit difficult to follow. This is because I understand the C14 curve is extremely unreliable at this particular juncture due to rapid changes in the ratios of atmospheric gases. As I’m very much out of my depth here could someone here please explain how Miller established 1300 as the transit and how he has linked this boundary to volcanism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen,</p>
<p>I’m an archaeologist evolved in a long term research project centered on the American Southwest; more specifically the late 13th century collapse of Salado culture of the central Arizona Upland, its brief reorganization in the early 14th century and its final systems failure and disintegration around 1400.   Several years ago we published a paper (2001 Exploring the Gila Horizon. In Kiva 66(4)) that demonstrated a strong case for the rapid abandonment and reoccupation of much of the Tonto-Globe area with similar impacts on much of east-central and southeast Arizona, all centered upon 1300. </p>
<p>Herein, we employed a number of ceramic seriations each focused on discrete geographic/traditional areas. Collectively we sorted the available decorated ceramic data accorded to basic ware types from excavated contexts recovered at several hundred late prehistoric sites. Overall this sample included only assemblages from habitation sites occupied for at least several decades between 1100 and 1400. The general analysis of these data was based simply upon dominant ware types found in each geographic/traditional area. </p>
<p>In each of the various geographic/traditional areas this methodology identified virtually the same pattern; an extreme bifurcation separating those settlement dominated by Whitewares occupied before 1300 from those established after 1300 and dominated by either Salado Redwares, White Mountain Redware or Northern Mexican Polychromes. There was virtually no overlap. For example in the Tonto-Globe area, assemblages from about a hundred sites established before 1300 all but one small residential loci was abandoned before 1300. In contrast, all of the large habitation sites occupied after 1300, none were established before 1300. </p>
<p>This finding was correlated with a survey of the chronometrics surrounding the critical ware type (Salado or Roosevelt Redware particularly Gila Polychrome) in order to establish a baseline temporal context for the applicable seriations. We also used ceramic seriations from key chronometric sites; comparing these to those from the appropriate geographic/traditional areas. In the mid and late 90’s it was apparent that the bifurcations represented the boundary between the MWP and LIA, however direct causality was of course a spillover from the Great Drought (1275 -1295). Nonetheless, over the last decade its become increasingly more clear that we are looking at an extremely small aspect of a much larger cyclical climatic oscillation pattern. </p>
<p>We’re now in the process of writing a series of reports that includes a much larger and more focused data set which correlates ceramics with architectural and settle system patterns from a very large number of sites. Thus, I find Miller’s work intriguing. However, I’m also finding the mechanics as far as the radiocarbon sampling a bit difficult to follow. This is because I understand the C14 curve is extremely unreliable at this particular juncture due to rapid changes in the ratios of atmospheric gases. As I’m very much out of my depth here could someone here please explain how Miller established 1300 as the transit and how he has linked this boundary to volcanism?</p>
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		<title>By: Klockarman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-325417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klockarman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

This might be relevant to your discussion here, and if not relevant, maybe interesting anyhow.  A couple of years ago on my blog I did a post on global warming alarmist Stephen Schneider&#039;s (now deceased) appearance on the 1970&#039;s TV show In Search Of....  In this case the subject matter was: In Search Of...The Coming Ice Age.  I posted the video due to the irony of Schneider&#039;s appearance on his show compared to his pronouncements in more recent years.  Anyway, a much younger Gifford Miller appeared on this show, and they filmed his appearance on Baffin Island, and he discusses that evidence on Baffin Island indicates a cooling and drying trend for the last 3,000 years, etc.

Here&#039;s the segment (1st of 3) that features Miller (his appearance starts at 5:30 in the video)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ndHwW8psR8&amp;feature=player_embedded#!

...and for all three segements of the show for those intersted, it is here on my blog...

http://algorelied.com/?p=2839]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>This might be relevant to your discussion here, and if not relevant, maybe interesting anyhow.  A couple of years ago on my blog I did a post on global warming alarmist Stephen Schneider&#8217;s (now deceased) appearance on the 1970&#8242;s TV show In Search Of&#8230;.  In this case the subject matter was: In Search Of&#8230;The Coming Ice Age.  I posted the video due to the irony of Schneider&#8217;s appearance on his show compared to his pronouncements in more recent years.  Anyway, a much younger Gifford Miller appeared on this show, and they filmed his appearance on Baffin Island, and he discusses that evidence on Baffin Island indicates a cooling and drying trend for the last 3,000 years, etc.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the segment (1st of 3) that features Miller (his appearance starts at 5:30 in the video)&#8230;</p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='640' height='390' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/5ndHwW8psR8?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
<p>&#8230;and for all three segements of the show for those intersted, it is here on my blog&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://algorelied.com/?p=2839" rel="nofollow">http://algorelied.com/?p=2839</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom deSabla</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-325263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom deSabla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The skeptics aren&#039;t controlling world opinion on AGW through the IPCC and pal reviewed science, so I wouldn&#039;t be focusing my attention on them either.

There would be no need for Steve to even do this if the mainstream climate scientists/advocates/communicators he has had to audit would stop being sneaky and deceptive, and would archive the actual data and code that they actually used, when they used it, without needing to be prompted. 

It would also be nice if they would stop crying and whining. I know nothing of science, but I do know that it has to be checked and verified many times before it can be the basis of worldwide public policy.

The fact is, neilr, that your heroes just don&#039;t want anyone to check their work. It&#039;s really that simple isn&#039;t it?

The truth is, is]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The skeptics aren&#8217;t controlling world opinion on AGW through the IPCC and pal reviewed science, so I wouldn&#8217;t be focusing my attention on them either.</p>
<p>There would be no need for Steve to even do this if the mainstream climate scientists/advocates/communicators he has had to audit would stop being sneaky and deceptive, and would archive the actual data and code that they actually used, when they used it, without needing to be prompted. </p>
<p>It would also be nice if they would stop crying and whining. I know nothing of science, but I do know that it has to be checked and verified many times before it can be the basis of worldwide public policy.</p>
<p>The fact is, neilr, that your heroes just don&#8217;t want anyone to check their work. It&#8217;s really that simple isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>The truth is, is</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Inglis</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-324734</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Inglis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve bought the Kindle version for my iPod but haven&#039;t got past the introduction. I want to try to approach it with an open mind, but he&#039;s already spent several paragraphs crying into his onion, and I can only take so much at a time. Must be done though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve bought the Kindle version for my iPod but haven&#8217;t got past the introduction. I want to try to approach it with an open mind, but he&#8217;s already spent several paragraphs crying into his onion, and I can only take so much at a time. Must be done though.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith DeHavelle</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-324677</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith DeHavelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue that you&#039;re perhaps missing
Is that skeptics you seem to be dissing
Do their science in view
You can audit this, too!
And not just lie there, all coiled and hissing

The reason that most of these streams
Focus mostly on work of the Team&#039;s
Is that source code&#039;s not there
And the data is spare
The result&#039;s often not what it seems

The topic of this exact thread
Is interpreting varves, and the spread
Of the warmth and the cold
Different researchers told
Not what you think it should be instead

===&#124;==============/ Keith DeHavelle]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue that you&#8217;re perhaps missing<br />
Is that skeptics you seem to be dissing<br />
Do their science in view<br />
You can audit this, too!<br />
And not just lie there, all coiled and hissing</p>
<p>The reason that most of these streams<br />
Focus mostly on work of the Team&#8217;s<br />
Is that source code&#8217;s not there<br />
And the data is spare<br />
The result&#8217;s often not what it seems</p>
<p>The topic of this exact thread<br />
Is interpreting varves, and the spread<br />
Of the warmth and the cold<br />
Different researchers told<br />
Not what you think it should be instead</p>
<p>===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle</p>
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		<title>By: Bentley Strange</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-324676</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bentley Strange]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Including the way, once again, the climate alarmists are faking documents and data, Neilr ? All in favour of this are we ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Including the way, once again, the climate alarmists are faking documents and data, Neilr ? All in favour of this are we ?</p>
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		<title>By: RomanM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-324674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RomanM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing in the previous comments which provides any information about our host&#039;s state of mind or his intentions.  Your baseless (and ignorant) non sequitur is common trolling which deserves to be relegated to the used electron bin.   

I would suggest unless future comments are directed to the topic in the head post, they might be considered as OT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing in the previous comments which provides any information about our host&#8217;s state of mind or his intentions.  Your baseless (and ignorant) non sequitur is common trolling which deserves to be relegated to the used electron bin.   </p>
<p>I would suggest unless future comments are directed to the topic in the head post, they might be considered as OT.</p>
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		<title>By: neilr</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/11/gifford-miller-vs-ar5-reconstructions/#comment-324671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neilr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we are all agreed then....Steve isn&#039;t a dispassionate observer.  Just another person who wants to delay action on climate change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we are all agreed then&#8230;.Steve isn&#8217;t a dispassionate observer.  Just another person who wants to delay action on climate change.</p>
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