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		<title>By: Targeted ad that works &#8230; right back at you &#124; pindanpost</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/25/gleick-and-americas-dumbest-criminal/#comment-349030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Targeted ad that works &#8230; right back at you &#124; pindanpost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 10:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to bottled water ranting, because he’s now 0-2 for climate and political commentary. Cue the America’s Dumbest Criminals theme intro &#8230;  read it all, I am still chuckling. Share [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to bottled water ranting, because he’s now 0-2 for climate and political commentary. Cue the America’s Dumbest Criminals theme intro &#8230;  read it all, I am still chuckling. Share [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Gleick makes a complete fool of himself&#8230;again &#124; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Gleick makes a complete fool of himself&#8230;again &#124; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to bottled water ranting, because he&#8217;s now 0-2 for climate and political commentary. Cue the America&#8217;s Dumbest Criminals theme [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: I nominate Dr. Peter Gleick for the first annual Walter Duranty award &#124; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I nominate Dr. Peter Gleick for the first annual Walter Duranty award &#124; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/25/gleick-and-americas-dumbest-criminal/#comment-328043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following this line of thinking seems a bit anticlimactic. But that reminds me ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following this line of thinking seems a bit anticlimactic. But that reminds me &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Grove</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/25/gleick-and-americas-dumbest-criminal/#comment-328029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Grove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, yes indeed: but that only makes sense if it has already been decided that the document is fake, independently of the rather weak stylistic &#039;data&#039;. Which brings the whole thing back to the most significant of the two factual anomalies in the memo: the note on the 2011 donation from the Kock Foundation which mistakenly refers to the contribution of $200,000 projected or promised for 2012. 

This is the precisely thing I don&#039;t understand. The entire argument for the document having been faked by Gleick is actually predicated on the assumption (which you&#039;re developing above) that Gleick is unbelievably stupid. The only other plausible assumption that the error is actually a comparatively small one in a memo that doesn&#039;t really contain any actual information not available in the other documents. But Ockham&#039;s razor might not be that helpful here.

The Kock link is a big deal for anyone with an intellectual stake in the dissemination of those papers. If a faker was trying to draw attention to it, then he can&#039;t hit a fish in a barrel. He&#039;s irredeemably dumb. The question is, is this a fair assessment of Gleick? One may not agree with him, or like his position, and of course there are plenty of successful people (academics, businessmen, politicians) out there who are simply not very clever. But a basic academic training should at least provide the basis for a better piece of fakery than this. The one thing academics can usually manage is to produce internally consistent documents. And I would argue that someone faking a document such as the memo is much more likely to over-correct than to mess up one of the key points on which we must assumed they were focussed. If Gleick did this, you&#039;re right: he&#039;s a dumb-ass. But it smells pretty fishy to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes indeed: but that only makes sense if it has already been decided that the document is fake, independently of the rather weak stylistic &#8216;data&#8217;. Which brings the whole thing back to the most significant of the two factual anomalies in the memo: the note on the 2011 donation from the Kock Foundation which mistakenly refers to the contribution of $200,000 projected or promised for 2012. </p>
<p>This is the precisely thing I don&#8217;t understand. The entire argument for the document having been faked by Gleick is actually predicated on the assumption (which you&#8217;re developing above) that Gleick is unbelievably stupid. The only other plausible assumption that the error is actually a comparatively small one in a memo that doesn&#8217;t really contain any actual information not available in the other documents. But Ockham&#8217;s razor might not be that helpful here.</p>
<p>The Kock link is a big deal for anyone with an intellectual stake in the dissemination of those papers. If a faker was trying to draw attention to it, then he can&#8217;t hit a fish in a barrel. He&#8217;s irredeemably dumb. The question is, is this a fair assessment of Gleick? One may not agree with him, or like his position, and of course there are plenty of successful people (academics, businessmen, politicians) out there who are simply not very clever. But a basic academic training should at least provide the basis for a better piece of fakery than this. The one thing academics can usually manage is to produce internally consistent documents. And I would argue that someone faking a document such as the memo is much more likely to over-correct than to mess up one of the key points on which we must assumed they were focussed. If Gleick did this, you&#8217;re right: he&#8217;s a dumb-ass. But it smells pretty fishy to me.</p>
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		<title>By: clazy8</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point. And yet I am quite certain he is the author, there being essentially no evidence that anyone else wrote it, versus a pile of evidence consistent with the theory that he wrote it. I do not,  of course, impose the same standards of proof on myself as would be required in criminal court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. And yet I am quite certain he is the author, there being essentially no evidence that anyone else wrote it, versus a pile of evidence consistent with the theory that he wrote it. I do not,  of course, impose the same standards of proof on myself as would be required in criminal court.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/25/gleick-and-americas-dumbest-criminal/#comment-327862</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may have missed Gleick&#039;s juvenile behavior around his now-public feud in Forbes magazine.  More than enough context for familiarity with HI.  And a huge resentment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have missed Gleick&#8217;s juvenile behavior around his now-public feud in Forbes magazine.  More than enough context for familiarity with HI.  And a huge resentment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Grove</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/25/gleick-and-americas-dumbest-criminal/#comment-327853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Grove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps I&#039;ve missed something, but given that the Heartland Inst. had invited Gleick to speak on Jan 13th, and given the context of the invitations, and Gleick&#039;s refusal, doesn&#039;t it seem reasonable to accept that his name must have been coming up a fair bit among members of the HI board in the last few weeks in January? It doesn&#039;t seem to me that the reference to Gleick in the doubtful memo is a key fact in establishing the origin of the memo. 

The consensus that the /style/ of the memo identifies Gleick as its author seems to me to be unreliable. We often think that this kind of analysis is straightforward, because we all know how to use language (don&#039;t we?). We&#039;re much happier to admit we don&#039;t /get/ statistics. But any adequately trained student of language or literature should be able to tell you that linguistic analysis and stylistic &#039;fingerprinting&#039; are seriously tricky matters, full of pitfalls. Analysis of written style is what I do for a living. No statistician will be surprised to here that in my line of work the road to hell is paved with false positives. Sloppy usage is an entirely unremarkable feature of official memos, internet blogs, and academic emails alike. Commas won&#039;t do it for you. Even the phrase &#039;anti-climate&#039; is no identifying mark (unless used consistently) when you can make it by accidental omission, or pick it up after unthinkingly from someone (even an opponent) whose words you&#039;ve been reading recently. You need more than this to make a confident attribution, if you want to get beyond the pleasure of wishful thinking. Anomalies in the /factual/ content of such an official memo are an entirely different and much more significant matter.
&lt;strong&gt;
Steve: you&#039;re overlooking &quot;means, motive and opportunity&quot;, which Gleick had. The author of the fake memo had to be in possession of the actual documents. &quot;Opportunity&quot; limits the population to Gleick and the Heartland directors (and maybe a few senior Heartland staffers.)  The &quot;fiber&quot; evidence is additional.  

Obviously, a police investigation ought to examine Gleick&#039;s computers and computers that he might have used. Police seized the UEA server almost immediately, but they don&#039;t seem to have done anything with Gleick&#039;s. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;ve missed something, but given that the Heartland Inst. had invited Gleick to speak on Jan 13th, and given the context of the invitations, and Gleick&#8217;s refusal, doesn&#8217;t it seem reasonable to accept that his name must have been coming up a fair bit among members of the HI board in the last few weeks in January? It doesn&#8217;t seem to me that the reference to Gleick in the doubtful memo is a key fact in establishing the origin of the memo. </p>
<p>The consensus that the /style/ of the memo identifies Gleick as its author seems to me to be unreliable. We often think that this kind of analysis is straightforward, because we all know how to use language (don&#8217;t we?). We&#8217;re much happier to admit we don&#8217;t /get/ statistics. But any adequately trained student of language or literature should be able to tell you that linguistic analysis and stylistic &#8216;fingerprinting&#8217; are seriously tricky matters, full of pitfalls. Analysis of written style is what I do for a living. No statistician will be surprised to here that in my line of work the road to hell is paved with false positives. Sloppy usage is an entirely unremarkable feature of official memos, internet blogs, and academic emails alike. Commas won&#8217;t do it for you. Even the phrase &#8216;anti-climate&#8217; is no identifying mark (unless used consistently) when you can make it by accidental omission, or pick it up after unthinkingly from someone (even an opponent) whose words you&#8217;ve been reading recently. You need more than this to make a confident attribution, if you want to get beyond the pleasure of wishful thinking. Anomalies in the /factual/ content of such an official memo are an entirely different and much more significant matter.<br />
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Steve: you&#8217;re overlooking &#8220;means, motive and opportunity&#8221;, which Gleick had. The author of the fake memo had to be in possession of the actual documents. &#8220;Opportunity&#8221; limits the population to Gleick and the Heartland directors (and maybe a few senior Heartland staffers.)  The &#8220;fiber&#8221; evidence is additional.  </p>
<p>Obviously, a police investigation ought to examine Gleick&#8217;s computers and computers that he might have used. Police seized the UEA server almost immediately, but they don&#8217;t seem to have done anything with Gleick&#8217;s.<br />
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/25/gleick-and-americas-dumbest-criminal/#comment-327057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There once was a man named Gleick
Who had a profitable shtick
But it all came a cropper
By behavior most improper
His shtick needed a public more thick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There once was a man named Gleick<br />
Who had a profitable shtick<br />
But it all came a cropper<br />
By behavior most improper<br />
His shtick needed a public more thick.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gleick Tragedy &#124; TaJnB &#124; TheAverageJoeNewsBlogg</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/02/25/gleick-and-americas-dumbest-criminal/#comment-327036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gleick Tragedy &#124; TaJnB &#124; TheAverageJoeNewsBlogg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] UPDATE53: 10:45AM 2/25 Steve McIntyre has a humorous piece entitled Gleick and America’s Dumbest Criminals [...]]]></description>
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