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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-401407</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-329520&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve McIntyre (Mar 16 11:30)&lt;/a&gt;, 

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.facebook.com/events/316453051798340/permalink/330340203742958/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TODAY:  Michael Mann reduced to flogging his hockey stick at a SOCIOLOGY symposium at Oklahoma State University... I guess they paid him a lot of money??&lt;/a&gt; 

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Dr. Michael E. Mann Public Lecture - Sociology Symposium

Friday, February 22, 2013
3:30pm until 4:30pm in CST

Alumni Hall, Conoco-Phillips OSU Alumni Center
(near the OSU Student Union Building-which has paid parking and is located on the Southeast corner of campus)

A central figure in the controversy over human-caused climate change has been “The Hockey Stick,” a simple, easy-to-understand graph constructed to depict changes in Earth’s temperature back to 1000 AD. The graph was featured in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and it quickly became an icon in the debate over human-caused (“anthropogenic”) climate change. Dr. Mann will tell the story behind the Hockey Stick, using it as a vehicle for exploring broader issues regarding the role of skepticism in science, the uneasy relationship between science and politics, and the dangers that arise when special economic interests and those who do their bidding attempt to skew the discourse over policy-relevant areas of science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-329520" rel="nofollow">Steve McIntyre (Mar 16 11:30)</a>, </p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/316453051798340/permalink/330340203742958/" rel="nofollow">TODAY:  Michael Mann reduced to flogging his hockey stick at a SOCIOLOGY symposium at Oklahoma State University&#8230; I guess they paid him a lot of money??</a> </p>
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Dr. Michael E. Mann Public Lecture &#8211; Sociology Symposium</p>
<p>Friday, February 22, 2013<br />
3:30pm until 4:30pm in CST</p>
<p>Alumni Hall, Conoco-Phillips OSU Alumni Center<br />
(near the OSU Student Union Building-which has paid parking and is located on the Southeast corner of campus)</p>
<p>A central figure in the controversy over human-caused climate change has been “The Hockey Stick,” a simple, easy-to-understand graph constructed to depict changes in Earth’s temperature back to 1000 AD. The graph was featured in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and it quickly became an icon in the debate over human-caused (“anthropogenic”) climate change. Dr. Mann will tell the story behind the Hockey Stick, using it as a vehicle for exploring broader issues regarding the role of skepticism in science, the uneasy relationship between science and politics, and the dangers that arise when special economic interests and those who do their bidding attempt to skew the discourse over policy-relevant areas of science.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-396570</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mann&#039;s lawyers claim he can&#039;t be wrong if any other climate scientists said the same thing:

on &quot;Nobel Mann&quot; see footnote 69, page 33:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scribd.com/doc/121359632/Opposition-to-National-Review-Motion-to-Dismiss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mann&#039;s lawyers file counter motion against SLAPP motion of National Review&lt;/a&gt; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mann&#8217;s lawyers claim he can&#8217;t be wrong if any other climate scientists said the same thing:</p>
<p>on &#8220;Nobel Mann&#8221; see footnote 69, page 33:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/121359632/Opposition-to-National-Review-Motion-to-Dismiss" rel="nofollow">Mann&#8217;s lawyers file counter motion against SLAPP motion of National Review</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-391178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alas, Mann&#039;s Hockey Stick is alive and well (at least as a PR icon for new generations of students).  If I may invite any interested CA denizens to a new discussion thread at Bishop Hill, some of us may want to try to get a handle on the status of various criticisms of the Hockey Team work now that we are in 2013.  I am hoping some people far more knowledgeable than I would be willing to comment on what it all means now -- what should have been learned from Hockey Team controversies to date?  Mann is continuing to promote his Hockey Stick graph as &quot;awesome&quot; with new generations of students, so one cannot say that the climatology field has &quot;moved on&quot; as far as the Hockey Stick goes:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bishop-hill.net/discussion/post/2043497&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mann loves his Hockey Stick&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, Mann&#8217;s Hockey Stick is alive and well (at least as a PR icon for new generations of students).  If I may invite any interested CA denizens to a new discussion thread at Bishop Hill, some of us may want to try to get a handle on the status of various criticisms of the Hockey Team work now that we are in 2013.  I am hoping some people far more knowledgeable than I would be willing to comment on what it all means now &#8212; what should have been learned from Hockey Team controversies to date?  Mann is continuing to promote his Hockey Stick graph as &#8220;awesome&#8221; with new generations of students, so one cannot say that the climatology field has &#8220;moved on&#8221; as far as the Hockey Stick goes:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bishop-hill.net/discussion/post/2043497" rel="nofollow">Mann loves his Hockey Stick</a></p>
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		<title>By: TheAverageJoe</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-331857</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://theaveragejoenewsblogg.com/2012/04/24/34070/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TaJnB &#124; TheAverageJoeNewsBlogg&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://theaveragejoenewsblogg.com/2012/04/24/34070/" rel="nofollow">TaJnB | TheAverageJoeNewsBlogg</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: McIntyre&#8217;s rebuttal of Michael Mann&#8217;s pants-on-fire book &#124; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-331778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McIntyre&#8217;s rebuttal of Michael Mann&#8217;s pants-on-fire book &#124; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-330959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 01:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://2012nevadacounty.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/2457/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is it 2012 in Nevada County Yet?&lt;/a&gt; and commented: 
Our local left has been promoting the Hockey Stick Mann&#039;s New Book that attempts to defend his very bad science. Here is some insight from one of the subjects in the book. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://2012nevadacounty.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/2457/" rel="nofollow">Is it 2012 in Nevada County Yet?</a> and commented:<br />
Our local left has been promoting the Hockey Stick Mann&#8217;s New Book that attempts to defend his very bad science. Here is some insight from one of the subjects in the book. </p>
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		<title>By: PhilH</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-330098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhilH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, Mann is a very strange man]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, Mann is a very strange man</p>
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		<title>By: theduke</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-330072</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard: thank you.  Having read only reviews of the book (including the work of Schollenberger and Tamaki) and comments here at CA, I&#039;ll take your word for it that Mann is putting all his critics &quot;in the politician category.&quot;
Labeling Steve as a &quot;politician&quot; is just more evidence of sloppy, biased, and paranoid thinking on his part. 

FYI: one of Robert Tamaki&#039;s criticisms of the book in his one-star review at Amazon is that Mann never once mentions Montford&#039;s name in the book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard: thank you.  Having read only reviews of the book (including the work of Schollenberger and Tamaki) and comments here at CA, I&#8217;ll take your word for it that Mann is putting all his critics &#8220;in the politician category.&#8221;<br />
Labeling Steve as a &#8220;politician&#8221; is just more evidence of sloppy, biased, and paranoid thinking on his part. </p>
<p>FYI: one of Robert Tamaki&#8217;s criticisms of the book in his one-star review at Amazon is that Mann never once mentions Montford&#8217;s name in the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drake</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-330069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Drake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;He complains that Jolis does not mention the attacks he’s endured by politicians, and claims that’s the reason he wrote the book.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What you go to say is highly apposite. But Mann is also here, for me, putting all his critics in the &#039;politician&#039; category, Steve McIntyre and Andrew Montford included. This enables him, he thinks, to ignore their most important arguments about the science or stats.

&lt;blockquote&gt;it occurs to me that I’ve wasted too much time deconstructing this letter . . .&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not for me. I&#039;m with you about whether the book is worth much effort at all but as Mann is forced to face up to public criticism by the stature of the WSJ (not that he really did) I&#039;m interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He complains that Jolis does not mention the attacks he’s endured by politicians, and claims that’s the reason he wrote the book.</p></blockquote>
<p>What you go to say is highly apposite. But Mann is also here, for me, putting all his critics in the &#8216;politician&#8217; category, Steve McIntyre and Andrew Montford included. This enables him, he thinks, to ignore their most important arguments about the science or stats.</p>
<blockquote><p>it occurs to me that I’ve wasted too much time deconstructing this letter . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>Not for me. I&#8217;m with you about whether the book is worth much effort at all but as Mann is forced to face up to public criticism by the stature of the WSJ (not that he really did) I&#8217;m interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/03/15/jolis-reviews-mann/#comment-330057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mann didn&#039;t put the Hockey Stick there... And there&#039;s been many others made...

You&#039;re also verballing him on the it doesn&#039;t matter line. The context is that it doesn&#039;t matter whether it&#039;s right or wrong. The physics tells us that Climate Sensitivity is the important factor... Which makes me wonder why you are still talking about something more than 10 years old.

&quot;So does the Hockey Stick matter? Yes, if you’re a climate scientist that believes that the IPCC is an important institution whose opinions should be valued.&quot;

Truly!?!? The HS is what makes the IPCC important? It hardly featured in the fourth assessment...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mann didn&#8217;t put the Hockey Stick there&#8230; And there&#8217;s been many others made&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also verballing him on the it doesn&#8217;t matter line. The context is that it doesn&#8217;t matter whether it&#8217;s right or wrong. The physics tells us that Climate Sensitivity is the important factor&#8230; Which makes me wonder why you are still talking about something more than 10 years old.</p>
<p>&#8220;So does the Hockey Stick matter? Yes, if you’re a climate scientist that believes that the IPCC is an important institution whose opinions should be valued.&#8221;</p>
<p>Truly!?!? The HS is what makes the IPCC important? It hardly featured in the fourth assessment&#8230;</p>
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