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		<title>By: ThosThos</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-347329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ThosThos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my take on this police statement. &quot;no evidence&quot; means that they have nothing that could lead to a prosecution. It might also mean that they haven&#039;t a clue what went on or, more likely, they have a good idea who was responsible but, given the nature of the &quot;offence&quot;, can&#039;t prove it. CRU does not have a mail server, UEA email is handled by the Computing Centre and distributed to each user&#039;s email client, usually Eudora but any client can be used. In spite of the somewhat snide speculation here about the Norfolk police, I must confess that I have always found them to be rather good at what they do. When it comes to routine investigations like this, they are as good as anybody - after all it&#039;s what they do year in, year out. They have their own computing people who are more than qualified to investigate a simple problem like this. The really interesting thing is the idea that a CRU computer was hacked from outside. There would be a trail, of sorts, to show that this was the case. However, it is easy, and legal, to hide the real identity of your computer in a morass of aliases, so the trail would end fairly quickly. Also, logs would show that the computer had been hacked, rather than simply logged into. Again, the police statement implies this. It is possible that an insider was involved, but unlikely. Rather than a heroic whistle-blower, who after all had simply to copy the emails to a USB stick and walk out with them, the likely evidence of hacking suggests that the only role of an insider was probably someone who talked too much in the pub!

Your discussions are usually much more entertaining that this. Perhaps it&#039;s time, like the Norfolk Police, to move on to something more likely to reward your efforts - the latest Arctic sea-ice revelations, perhaps? Let&#039;s face it, this endless speculation about the Crime of the Century is very boring and utterly pointless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my take on this police statement. &#8220;no evidence&#8221; means that they have nothing that could lead to a prosecution. It might also mean that they haven&#8217;t a clue what went on or, more likely, they have a good idea who was responsible but, given the nature of the &#8220;offence&#8221;, can&#8217;t prove it. CRU does not have a mail server, UEA email is handled by the Computing Centre and distributed to each user&#8217;s email client, usually Eudora but any client can be used. In spite of the somewhat snide speculation here about the Norfolk police, I must confess that I have always found them to be rather good at what they do. When it comes to routine investigations like this, they are as good as anybody &#8211; after all it&#8217;s what they do year in, year out. They have their own computing people who are more than qualified to investigate a simple problem like this. The really interesting thing is the idea that a CRU computer was hacked from outside. There would be a trail, of sorts, to show that this was the case. However, it is easy, and legal, to hide the real identity of your computer in a morass of aliases, so the trail would end fairly quickly. Also, logs would show that the computer had been hacked, rather than simply logged into. Again, the police statement implies this. It is possible that an insider was involved, but unlikely. Rather than a heroic whistle-blower, who after all had simply to copy the emails to a USB stick and walk out with them, the likely evidence of hacking suggests that the only role of an insider was probably someone who talked too much in the pub!</p>
<p>Your discussions are usually much more entertaining that this. Perhaps it&#8217;s time, like the Norfolk Police, to move on to something more likely to reward your efforts &#8211; the latest Arctic sea-ice revelations, perhaps? Let&#8217;s face it, this endless speculation about the Crime of the Century is very boring and utterly pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Norman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-343821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has the EAP press release been examined carefully? Truly?

“Norfolk Constabulary has made the decision to formally close its investigation into the hacking of online data from the Climate Research Centre (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich.”

This clearly states that the Norfolk Constabulary was called in to investigate the hacking of online data from the CRU. Period (just in case you missed it (the period))

“the investigation has concluded that the data breach was the result of a ‘sophisticated and carefully orchestrated attack on the CRU’s data files, carried out remotely via the internet’.”

They found no evidence of a hack, therefore it must have been “sophisticated and carefully orchestrated”.  They know that the files eventually wound up in the hands of the internet, so they know the internet was somehow involved, but they do not have enough evidence to prosecute the internet a.k.a. “the World Wide Web”, but the file will be passed on to Interpol.

“There is no evidence to suggest that anyone working at or associated with the University of East Anglia was involved in the crime.”

There is no evidence of this being an crime perpetrated by anyone working with the UEA because that was outside the scope of their investigation into an external hacking job.  Anyway, an inside job would have suggested a whistle blower thereby removing the “crime” part of the investigation and we all now know the investigation; “focused on unauthorised access to computer material,” thereby ruling out authorized access to computer material.

“Good morning Super.”
“Good morning Wonderful”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the EAP press release been examined carefully? Truly?</p>
<p>“Norfolk Constabulary has made the decision to formally close its investigation into the hacking of online data from the Climate Research Centre (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich.”</p>
<p>This clearly states that the Norfolk Constabulary was called in to investigate the hacking of online data from the CRU. Period (just in case you missed it (the period))</p>
<p>“the investigation has concluded that the data breach was the result of a ‘sophisticated and carefully orchestrated attack on the CRU’s data files, carried out remotely via the internet’.”</p>
<p>They found no evidence of a hack, therefore it must have been “sophisticated and carefully orchestrated”.  They know that the files eventually wound up in the hands of the internet, so they know the internet was somehow involved, but they do not have enough evidence to prosecute the internet a.k.a. “the World Wide Web”, but the file will be passed on to Interpol.</p>
<p>“There is no evidence to suggest that anyone working at or associated with the University of East Anglia was involved in the crime.”</p>
<p>There is no evidence of this being an crime perpetrated by anyone working with the UEA because that was outside the scope of their investigation into an external hacking job.  Anyway, an inside job would have suggested a whistle blower thereby removing the “crime” part of the investigation and we all now know the investigation; “focused on unauthorised access to computer material,” thereby ruling out authorized access to computer material.</p>
<p>“Good morning Super.”<br />
“Good morning Wonderful”</p>
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		<title>By: Mark K</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-343777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have some slight knowledge in this area...  A &quot;Hack&quot; is specifically exploiting a vulnerability in applications or operating system, which allows you to do things you&#039;re not supposed to be able to do.   These &quot;things you&#039;re not supposed to be able to do&quot; tend to be highly specific and restrictive.  And, most of them simply cause malfunction / crash / shutdown / etc.  Only a few allow you some &quot;useful&quot; action.  And those &quot;useful&quot; actions tend to consist of taking passwords, changing passwords, or executing other programs to give you the ability to get control of an account or create one to use to then explore and take.  

If the police did indeed hire experts, these experts would have traced the exploit down and the means by which the hacker gained access to userland or even root access, thereby giving himself full access to accounts. etc.  

This does generally leave footprints behind, such as server logs, stray accounts, changes passwords for users.  

However, had this been found, the report would say &quot;used (insert exploit here) to gain access to root, or a user account, or mail, blah, blah blah&quot;  Since it merely says &quot;can&#039;t find evidence that someone at CRU did it&quot; the real clues are what was NOT said, rather than what was.  

Imagine you took your car to the mechanic, because one day the motor started knocking, and the mechanic says &quot;Someone that&#039;s not your gas station attendant or oil change person used a sophisticated plan to cause your motor to fail catastrophically.&quot;  That would mean he&#039;s got NO FREAKING CLUE why your motor failed, but he wants to say someone did it to you.  If the bearings are burned out and the inserts show embedded material in the bearings, and the oil analyzed shows silica, yeah, someone dumped sand into the oil filler. And any nominally competent mechanic would know and do exactly that, and he&#039;s never use the terms above.  He&#039;d say &quot;someone put sand in the motor&quot;.   

The only thing that &quot;can&#039;t find evidence that a CRU person did it&quot; kind of statement implies is that they didn&#039;t find the files in someone&#039;s inbox, network drive, or account space on the server.  Nothing else.  It certainly doesn&#039;t rule anyone out.  

So, I&#039;d say this means: They found no actual forensic evidence of a hack (it&#039;s possible for a hacker to clean up after himself, but few would bother... what is the point, to hide that you&#039;ve been there?  Usually the act is to do something that makes it obvious it&#039;s happened..), and they didn&#039;t find any directly incriminating evidence that someone UEA did it.  

Which leaves the most probable prospect...  Someone at UEA, possibly in collaboration with someone else who has some &quot;cover my butt&quot; skills.  I&#039;d say it was collected over time, intentionally, and the data walked out via a usb drive or was collected off-site over time.  

Which all points to someone with intimate knowledge.  And that points to someone on the inside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some slight knowledge in this area&#8230;  A &#8220;Hack&#8221; is specifically exploiting a vulnerability in applications or operating system, which allows you to do things you&#8217;re not supposed to be able to do.   These &#8220;things you&#8217;re not supposed to be able to do&#8221; tend to be highly specific and restrictive.  And, most of them simply cause malfunction / crash / shutdown / etc.  Only a few allow you some &#8220;useful&#8221; action.  And those &#8220;useful&#8221; actions tend to consist of taking passwords, changing passwords, or executing other programs to give you the ability to get control of an account or create one to use to then explore and take.  </p>
<p>If the police did indeed hire experts, these experts would have traced the exploit down and the means by which the hacker gained access to userland or even root access, thereby giving himself full access to accounts. etc.  </p>
<p>This does generally leave footprints behind, such as server logs, stray accounts, changes passwords for users.  </p>
<p>However, had this been found, the report would say &#8220;used (insert exploit here) to gain access to root, or a user account, or mail, blah, blah blah&#8221;  Since it merely says &#8220;can&#8217;t find evidence that someone at CRU did it&#8221; the real clues are what was NOT said, rather than what was.  </p>
<p>Imagine you took your car to the mechanic, because one day the motor started knocking, and the mechanic says &#8220;Someone that&#8217;s not your gas station attendant or oil change person used a sophisticated plan to cause your motor to fail catastrophically.&#8221;  That would mean he&#8217;s got NO FREAKING CLUE why your motor failed, but he wants to say someone did it to you.  If the bearings are burned out and the inserts show embedded material in the bearings, and the oil analyzed shows silica, yeah, someone dumped sand into the oil filler. And any nominally competent mechanic would know and do exactly that, and he&#8217;s never use the terms above.  He&#8217;d say &#8220;someone put sand in the motor&#8221;.   </p>
<p>The only thing that &#8220;can&#8217;t find evidence that a CRU person did it&#8221; kind of statement implies is that they didn&#8217;t find the files in someone&#8217;s inbox, network drive, or account space on the server.  Nothing else.  It certainly doesn&#8217;t rule anyone out.  </p>
<p>So, I&#8217;d say this means: They found no actual forensic evidence of a hack (it&#8217;s possible for a hacker to clean up after himself, but few would bother&#8230; what is the point, to hide that you&#8217;ve been there?  Usually the act is to do something that makes it obvious it&#8217;s happened..), and they didn&#8217;t find any directly incriminating evidence that someone UEA did it.  </p>
<p>Which leaves the most probable prospect&#8230;  Someone at UEA, possibly in collaboration with someone else who has some &#8220;cover my butt&#8221; skills.  I&#8217;d say it was collected over time, intentionally, and the data walked out via a usb drive or was collected off-site over time.  </p>
<p>Which all points to someone with intimate knowledge.  And that points to someone on the inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-343673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Mach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it is PR BS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it is PR BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-343669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Mach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And quite obviously the Norfolk Police is unaware that &quot;The World Wide Web&quot; is not identical to &quot;The Internet&quot;, and that when they write about &quot;The WWW&quot; they actually mean &quot;The Internet&quot;. 

Won&#039;t trust a single word of this press release, especially if they need to repeat that &quot;sophisticated and carefully orchestrated attack&quot; BS part twice within a few sentences – do they think anybody reading their statement is stupid?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And quite obviously the Norfolk Police is unaware that &#8220;The World Wide Web&#8221; is not identical to &#8220;The Internet&#8221;, and that when they write about &#8220;The WWW&#8221; they actually mean &#8220;The Internet&#8221;. </p>
<p>Won&#8217;t trust a single word of this press release, especially if they need to repeat that &#8220;sophisticated and carefully orchestrated attack&#8221; BS part twice within a few sentences – do they think anybody reading their statement is stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-343668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Mach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor thing, now he is sighing. But I guess that happens when you write about things you don&#039;t understand – not that you would understand that. And it is always a drag using the right words to represent reality – just writing what &quot;feels right&quot; about those dreadful &quot;deniers&quot; and &quot;contrarians&quot; is soooo much easier, isn&#039;t it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor thing, now he is sighing. But I guess that happens when you write about things you don&#8217;t understand – not that you would understand that. And it is always a drag using the right words to represent reality – just writing what &#8220;feels right&#8221; about those dreadful &#8220;deniers&#8221; and &#8220;contrarians&#8221; is soooo much easier, isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-343666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Mach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;k, this is probably a little childish but it did catch my eye and I can’t resist poking fun at deniers. My recent comments over at Climate Audit has prompted a flood of traffic from mostly deniers. None of them commenting though which is a shame. Anyway, a check of my site stats revealed this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Textbook definition of a troll – a troll who is sad that his bait didn&#039;t quite catch…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>k, this is probably a little childish but it did catch my eye and I can’t resist poking fun at deniers. My recent comments over at Climate Audit has prompted a flood of traffic from mostly deniers. None of them commenting though which is a shame. Anyway, a check of my site stats revealed this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Textbook definition of a troll – a troll who is sad that his bait didn&#8217;t quite catch…</p>
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		<title>By: AntonyIndia</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/18/norfolk-police-inquiry-at-east-anglia-ends/#comment-343625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AntonyIndia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In how different a light others internal e-mails get published at the Guardian if it suits their ideological line; their moral &quot;criminal hacking&quot; language vanishes. See here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/19/emails-nuclear-power&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Emails reveal UK government&#039;s moves to protect nuclear power from bad news&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/interactive/2012/jul/19/emails-energy-firms-uk-government-nuclear-power&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In how different a light others internal e-mails get published at the Guardian if it suits their ideological line; their moral &#8220;criminal hacking&#8221; language vanishes. See here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/19/emails-nuclear-power" rel="nofollow">Emails reveal UK government&#8217;s moves to protect nuclear power from bad news</a> and <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/interactive/2012/jul/19/emails-energy-firms-uk-government-nuclear-power" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Follow the Money</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Follow the Money]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The international dimension of investigating the World Wide Web especially has proved extremely challenging.&quot;

The key phrase in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The international dimension of investigating the World Wide Web especially has proved extremely challenging.&#8221;</p>
<p>The key phrase in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: bob edgar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob edgar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-343520&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bob edgar (Jul 19 06:28)&lt;/a&gt;, 
could an admin please free my comment from purgatory?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="#comment-343520" rel="nofollow">bob edgar (Jul 19 06:28)</a>,<br />
could an admin please free my comment from purgatory?</p>
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