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	<title>Comments on: Lewandowsky: study &#8220;Useless&#8221; unless authors demonstrate &#8220;data integrity&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Lewandowsky Timeline &#124; Geoffchambers&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-407123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lewandowsky Timeline &#124; Geoffchambers&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: psych-astrology pair &#8230; updates &#124; pindanpost</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-352736</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[psych-astrology pair &#8230; updates &#124; pindanpost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 05:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AntonyIndia</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-352734</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AntonyIndia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 05:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The publication &quot;Psychological Science&quot; should read and consider this article from &quot;The Scientist&quot; :&quot;Bring On the Transparency Index: Grading journals on how well they share information with readers will help deliver accountability to an industry that often lacks it.&quot; http://the-scientist.com/2012/08/01/bring-on-the-transparency-index/
Lewandowsky is the perfect example of non-transparency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The publication &#8220;Psychological Science&#8221; should read and consider this article from &#8220;The Scientist&#8221; :&#8221;Bring On the Transparency Index: Grading journals on how well they share information with readers will help deliver accountability to an industry that often lacks it.&#8221; <a href="http://the-scientist.com/2012/08/01/bring-on-the-transparency-index/" rel="nofollow">http://the-scientist.com/2012/08/01/bring-on-the-transparency-index/</a><br />
Lewandowsky is the perfect example of non-transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewandowsky update &#124; Australian Climate Madness</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-352570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lewandowsky update &#124; Australian Climate Madness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jonas N</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-352182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonas N]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob K

That was hilarious reading, and I particularly liked how Lewandowsky professed that he abusive blogcomments when making professional presentations (to reinforce the strength of his position and show how deplorable those who disagree must be, I presume):
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Wherever possible, I insert some of them into my talks to point out to the audience what sort of people are engaging in this assault on science and by what means they operate
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s quite common to try to use the gutter scrapings from the opposite side to imply some moral highgrounds, even attempting to estrapolate this to one&#039;s own position. But this is not only a sloppy thinking and a logical fallacy. It exposes how incapable some (quite a few) people are to applying their won &#039;arguments&#039; symmetrically. 

If one reads the comments at say Deltoid, RealClimate and Tamino, all who &#039;moderate&#039; heavily to &#039;improve discussion quality&#039;, and read what is left, particularly the amount and &#039;quality&#039; at the lower end, and remember that this actively has passed moderaters approval .. 

.. if you do this and apply Lewandowsky&#039;s own argument (above)to it, it would be devastating. 

But I guess these people rarly reflect over what they are actually saying and arguing, what their arguments actualy say and imply (if taken seriously, and generally applicable). No wonder som many contrived and nonsensical claims come from that corner ..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob K</p>
<p>That was hilarious reading, and I particularly liked how Lewandowsky professed that he abusive blogcomments when making professional presentations (to reinforce the strength of his position and show how deplorable those who disagree must be, I presume):</p>
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Wherever possible, I insert some of them into my talks to point out to the audience what sort of people are engaging in this assault on science and by what means they operate
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<p>It&#8217;s quite common to try to use the gutter scrapings from the opposite side to imply some moral highgrounds, even attempting to estrapolate this to one&#8217;s own position. But this is not only a sloppy thinking and a logical fallacy. It exposes how incapable some (quite a few) people are to applying their won &#8216;arguments&#8217; symmetrically. </p>
<p>If one reads the comments at say Deltoid, RealClimate and Tamino, all who &#8216;moderate&#8217; heavily to &#8216;improve discussion quality&#8217;, and read what is left, particularly the amount and &#8216;quality&#8217; at the lower end, and remember that this actively has passed moderaters approval .. </p>
<p>.. if you do this and apply Lewandowsky&#8217;s own argument (above)to it, it would be devastating. </p>
<p>But I guess these people rarly reflect over what they are actually saying and arguing, what their arguments actualy say and imply (if taken seriously, and generally applicable). No wonder som many contrived and nonsensical claims come from that corner ..</p>
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		<title>By: fake research &#8230; fake professor? &#124; pindanpost</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-352082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fake research &#8230; fake professor? &#124; pindanpost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: katabasis1</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-351821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katabasis1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Basically, internet surveys are a MEANINGLESS JOKE because they can be easily skewed by a specific group working together (‘GetUp’ in Australia do it on a regular basis), or even by a single person if they choose to.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s even worse than that. It doesn&#039;t take much skill to write a bot that could post as many responses as desired from spoofed IP addresses and wipe out any human input whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Basically, internet surveys are a MEANINGLESS JOKE because they can be easily skewed by a specific group working together (‘GetUp’ in Australia do it on a regular basis), or even by a single person if they choose to.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s even worse than that. It doesn&#8217;t take much skill to write a bot that could post as many responses as desired from spoofed IP addresses and wipe out any human input whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: maman</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-351661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, the Lewandowsky paper is a hoax?

They&#039;re taking the Mickey out of Sceptics? 

If so, it has been a delight to read the well argued, the courteous and constructive comments of so many of the Sceptics who have contributed to the &quot;discussion&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Lewandowsky paper is a hoax?</p>
<p>They&#8217;re taking the Mickey out of Sceptics? </p>
<p>If so, it has been a delight to read the well argued, the courteous and constructive comments of so many of the Sceptics who have contributed to the &#8220;discussion&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: HaroldW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HaroldW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom Curtis (Sep 12, 2012 at 9:58 PM): &quot;my opinion is that various “skeptic” blog owners have shot themselves in the foot by failing to advertise the survey.&quot;
Well, of the the five invitations, three likely discarded it immediately as possible spam. Can&#039;t say there&#039;s any shooting going on there. Dr. Pielke Jr. -- as you hint with the quotation marks, hardly a skeptic -- had a thoughtful discussion with Hanich, concluded that the survey had serious flaws, and declined to post. In what way does that constitute &quot;shooting himself in the foot&quot;?

&quot;What is more, I consider the failure to post...indicative of an anti-science attitude.&quot; To me,  discarding a post from an unknown sender is indicative only of a well-placed concern for phishing and the like. And the Pielke correspondence showed a positive attitude towards the reliability of results obtained. Perhaps if the study design evinced a more thoughtful approach towards the reliability of results, Pielke would have posted the link.

And I disagree that Lucia&#039;s post was an attempt &quot;to teach people how to scam scientific surveys&quot;. It showed one fairly simple way in which it would be possible to game the survey. There was discussion at the non-&quot;skeptic&quot; blogs about gaming. Whether particular method described by Lucia was used or not, I couldn&#039;t say. But neither can the authors.

I have to say, your prior comments have been of a much higher quality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Curtis (Sep 12, 2012 at 9:58 PM): &#8220;my opinion is that various “skeptic” blog owners have shot themselves in the foot by failing to advertise the survey.&#8221;<br />
Well, of the the five invitations, three likely discarded it immediately as possible spam. Can&#8217;t say there&#8217;s any shooting going on there. Dr. Pielke Jr. &#8212; as you hint with the quotation marks, hardly a skeptic &#8212; had a thoughtful discussion with Hanich, concluded that the survey had serious flaws, and declined to post. In what way does that constitute &#8220;shooting himself in the foot&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;What is more, I consider the failure to post&#8230;indicative of an anti-science attitude.&#8221; To me,  discarding a post from an unknown sender is indicative only of a well-placed concern for phishing and the like. And the Pielke correspondence showed a positive attitude towards the reliability of results obtained. Perhaps if the study design evinced a more thoughtful approach towards the reliability of results, Pielke would have posted the link.</p>
<p>And I disagree that Lucia&#8217;s post was an attempt &#8220;to teach people how to scam scientific surveys&#8221;. It showed one fairly simple way in which it would be possible to game the survey. There was discussion at the non-&#8221;skeptic&#8221; blogs about gaming. Whether particular method described by Lucia was used or not, I couldn&#8217;t say. But neither can the authors.</p>
<p>I have to say, your prior comments have been of a much higher quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Koss</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/12/lewandowsky-study-useless-unless-authors-demonstrate-data-integrity/#comment-351619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Koss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see some of Tim&#039;s links no longer work sometimes due to age and a few due to embarrassment. Kind of takes some of the flavor away. It was a well played satire of a leftist blog.

It shows that when being blinded by ideology causes a failure to verify an unknown source you can leave yourself looking foolish. Sort of like Crikey, The Drum Unleashed and Lewandowsky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see some of Tim&#8217;s links no longer work sometimes due to age and a few due to embarrassment. Kind of takes some of the flavor away. It was a well played satire of a leftist blog.</p>
<p>It shows that when being blinded by ideology causes a failure to verify an unknown source you can leave yourself looking foolish. Sort of like Crikey, The Drum Unleashed and Lewandowsky.</p>
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