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		<title>By: Lewandowsky Timeline &#124; Geoffchambers&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/13/lewandowskys-fake-results/#comment-407125</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: El caso Lewandowsky / Cook y los detectores de chorradas. &#124; Desde el exilio</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/13/lewandowskys-fake-results/#comment-357328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El caso Lewandowsky / Cook y los detectores de chorradas. &#124; Desde el exilio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ni tan siquiera de los datos (de carcajada) se puede desprender el título del estudio. Si se le quitan los valores atípicos (prudencia esencial en una estadística donde el engaño es más que posible), los resultados cambian mucho, y resulta mayor la proporción de los alarmistas que creen que el viaje a la luna fue un timo de la NASA, que la de los escépticos. Incluso en este “estudio” de risa. [Lewandowski fake results --&gt;] [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ni tan siquiera de los datos (de carcajada) se puede desprender el título del estudio. Si se le quitan los valores atípicos (prudencia esencial en una estadística donde el engaño es más que posible), los resultados cambian mucho, y resulta mayor la proporción de los alarmistas que creen que el viaje a la luna fue un timo de la NASA, que la de los escépticos. Incluso en este “estudio” de risa. [Lewandowski fake results --&gt;] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: faustusnotes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/13/lewandowskys-fake-results/#comment-354216</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To &quot;mod&quot;: I have not misinterpreted the original posts, and Steve certainly didn&#039;t seem to think so in his above replies. All Steve has to do is produce a simple chi-squared test of the effect he claims has changed. I&#039;ve suggested how. Until then, this post is either deliberately misleading or wrong. Steve is quite happy to accuse others of fraud, and if you block me from his website for suggesting the same thing about him then you really are showing a propensity for hypocrisy that I had heretofore suspected but, etc.

In accusing people I don&#039;t know and have barely encountered before of fraud, I am respecting the exact nature of this blog. If you don&#039;t like it, stop running around the internet accusing everyone else of fraud!

&lt;strong&gt;Steve: In my comments, I clearly stated that there was no reason to believe that Lewandowsky himself had been personally involved in the submission of fake responses in the online survey. However, in my opinion (and Tom Curtis&#039;), the survey included fake responses and that Lewandowsky&#039;s methodology was unequal to the task of ensuring data integrity. 

I do not regard Lewandowsky&#039;s sensitivity test as being an adequate test of fake responses, since it doesn&#039;t cover all styles of fake responses. Nonetheless, even this limited test reduced the number of &quot;skeptic&quot; purporting to hold CYMoon to 1 and left the proportion of warmists adhering to the signature MLK and 9/11 conspiracies as exceeding the proportion of skeptics. One doesn&#039;t need to do a chi-squared test to see this. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;mod&#8221;: I have not misinterpreted the original posts, and Steve certainly didn&#8217;t seem to think so in his above replies. All Steve has to do is produce a simple chi-squared test of the effect he claims has changed. I&#8217;ve suggested how. Until then, this post is either deliberately misleading or wrong. Steve is quite happy to accuse others of fraud, and if you block me from his website for suggesting the same thing about him then you really are showing a propensity for hypocrisy that I had heretofore suspected but, etc.</p>
<p>In accusing people I don&#8217;t know and have barely encountered before of fraud, I am respecting the exact nature of this blog. If you don&#8217;t like it, stop running around the internet accusing everyone else of fraud!</p>
<p><strong>Steve: In my comments, I clearly stated that there was no reason to believe that Lewandowsky himself had been personally involved in the submission of fake responses in the online survey. However, in my opinion (and Tom Curtis&#8217;), the survey included fake responses and that Lewandowsky&#8217;s methodology was unequal to the task of ensuring data integrity. </p>
<p>I do not regard Lewandowsky&#8217;s sensitivity test as being an adequate test of fake responses, since it doesn&#8217;t cover all styles of fake responses. Nonetheless, even this limited test reduced the number of &#8220;skeptic&#8221; purporting to hold CYMoon to 1 and left the proportion of warmists adhering to the signature MLK and 9/11 conspiracies as exceeding the proportion of skeptics. One doesn&#8217;t need to do a chi-squared test to see this.<br />
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		<title>By: El caso Lewandowsky / Cook y los detectores de chorradas. &#171; PlazaMoyua.com</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/13/lewandowskys-fake-results/#comment-353465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El caso Lewandowsky / Cook y los detectores de chorradas. &#171; PlazaMoyua.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ni tan siquiera de los datos (de carcajada) se puede desprender el título del estudio. Si se le quitan los valores atípicos (prudencia esencial en una estadística donde el engaño es más que posible), los resultados cambian mucho, y resulta mayor la proporción de los alarmistas que creen que el viaje a la luna fue un timo de la NASA, que la de los escépticos. Incluso en ese &#8220;estudio&#8221; de risa. [Lewandowski fake results --&gt;] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: faustusnotes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/13/lewandowskys-fake-results/#comment-353405</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you have time to respond to this comment but not to clear my other comment from moderation? Perhaps you are engaging in the censorship you decry?

If you can&#039;t replicate Lewandowsky&#039;s results, maybe the problem is that you lack the ability? After all, you still aren&#039;t able to explain why you didn&#039;t conduct a simple statistical test of the data you present here, and your explanation of the numbers in the charts in this post is probably wrong. Why should we be expected to believe that your attempts at his research are more accurate than his, when you can&#039;t explain a simple chart from your own work and won&#039;t respond to questions about basic statistical tests?

In respect to [sic] wacko conspiracies, you have put up maybe 5 or 6 posts that allege scamming, faking, or lying. You have repeatedly alleged fraud at his site. Your response to Hanich&#039;s email (suggesting the survey was completed multiple times in Hanich&#039;s own lab) was obviously both disingenuous and an extreme example of a conspiracy theory. So no, his claims are not &quot;fake&quot;, you have no evidence of that, and all your behavior supports his findings.

&lt;strong&gt;[mod: You have completely misinterpreted the original posts. And your comment demonstrates a complete lack of understanding for the high quality, high volume readership, and volunteer-admin nature of this blog. There are no paid staff here to follow your every whim. It takes time to go through the many hundreds of auto-held posts at any given time. YES there&#039;s that much spam here. Regular readers will laugh at your assertion that the proprietor of this blog lacks in statistical ability. Thanks for the grins. Now, please respect the nature of this blog or you may find yourself one of the very few who actually does get blocked. It&#039;s no badge of honor; rather a sign of the blocked commenters&#039; immaturity. I&#039;m leaving this comment here for now. Regulars: please don&#039;t feed this troll.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you have time to respond to this comment but not to clear my other comment from moderation? Perhaps you are engaging in the censorship you decry?</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t replicate Lewandowsky&#8217;s results, maybe the problem is that you lack the ability? After all, you still aren&#8217;t able to explain why you didn&#8217;t conduct a simple statistical test of the data you present here, and your explanation of the numbers in the charts in this post is probably wrong. Why should we be expected to believe that your attempts at his research are more accurate than his, when you can&#8217;t explain a simple chart from your own work and won&#8217;t respond to questions about basic statistical tests?</p>
<p>In respect to [sic] wacko conspiracies, you have put up maybe 5 or 6 posts that allege scamming, faking, or lying. You have repeatedly alleged fraud at his site. Your response to Hanich&#8217;s email (suggesting the survey was completed multiple times in Hanich&#8217;s own lab) was obviously both disingenuous and an extreme example of a conspiracy theory. So no, his claims are not &#8220;fake&#8221;, you have no evidence of that, and all your behavior supports his findings.</p>
<p><strong>[mod: You have completely misinterpreted the original posts. And your comment demonstrates a complete lack of understanding for the high quality, high volume readership, and volunteer-admin nature of this blog. There are no paid staff here to follow your every whim. It takes time to go through the many hundreds of auto-held posts at any given time. YES there's that much spam here. Regular readers will laugh at your assertion that the proprietor of this blog lacks in statistical ability. Thanks for the grins. Now, please respect the nature of this blog or you may find yourself one of the very few who actually does get blocked. It's no badge of honor; rather a sign of the blocked commenters' immaturity. I'm leaving this comment here for now. Regulars: please don't feed this troll.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: The big Lewandowsky &#8230; and the 97% &#171; The View From Here</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/13/lewandowskys-fake-results/#comment-353238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The big Lewandowsky &#8230; and the 97% &#171; The View From Here]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of those who know far more about survey design (e.g. Thomas Fuller) and statistics (particularly Steve McIntyre) than Lewandowsky has been able to demonstrate he [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: faustusnotes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/13/lewandowskys-fake-results/#comment-353236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[faustusnotes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brandon, your comment doesn&#039;t prove what you think it does. The means before and after you remove the &quot;bad&quot; data are actually very similar - you can check this using a basic statistical test, but I think you&#039;ll find they don&#039;t differ statistically. However, what&#039;s important in this type of analysis is the relationship between the groups. Changing the means even by a lot is unimportant if the means change in both the skeptic and warmist groups, which is the point I made to Steve (that he apparently can&#039;t answer). A statistical test will show that removing Steve&#039;s (self-defined) outliers doesn&#039;t change the main result of the paper, because the result is dominated by numbers in the four most common conspiracies, and as his Figure 1 shows, these are more likely to be endorsed by skeptics than warmists. 

Furthermore, Lewanowsky used factor analysis and SEM, which rely not on the means but on the correlation between variables. If you are sure that the outliers and &quot;inconsistent&quot; data change his results, why don&#039;t you reproduce his analysis on your revised data set? Why are you (and for that matter, Mcintyre) doing different, unrelated analyses?

Finally, it&#039;s not unusual for people to answer questions inconsistently in a questionnaire. While removing inconsistent answers is accepted as a technique in data cleaning, it&#039;s not the only one or the most valid one, and such inconsistent answers are in no way proof of scamming or faking. In suggesting so you&#039;re showing you endorse exactly the kinds of conspiratorial thinking Lewanowsky has identified with skeptics in his survey ...

&lt;strong&gt;Steve: I&#039;ve tried to replicate Lewandowsky&#039;s method and thus far can&#039;t replicate it. I get different results using factor analysis. In addition, as I understand it, he only used factor analysis for exploratory analysis and then used weighted means.  If you can clarify this, it would help.

If he archived his code, it would be easy to figure out what he did and test for variation using his methods. Alternatively, if he archived the latent variables that he calculated, that would help. 

And as I said to you before, the term &quot;outlier&quot; is Lewandowsky&#039;s sanitization of fake data. I did not endorse Lewandowsky&#039;s method as being adequate to deal with the lack of data integrity. 

I havent interpreted inconsistencies as evidence of scamming. There are other more compelling arguments. 

In respect to the wacko conspiracies, it is however evident that lewandowsky&#039;s claims are fake and his continued insistence on them should be discontinued.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon, your comment doesn&#8217;t prove what you think it does. The means before and after you remove the &#8220;bad&#8221; data are actually very similar &#8211; you can check this using a basic statistical test, but I think you&#8217;ll find they don&#8217;t differ statistically. However, what&#8217;s important in this type of analysis is the relationship between the groups. Changing the means even by a lot is unimportant if the means change in both the skeptic and warmist groups, which is the point I made to Steve (that he apparently can&#8217;t answer). A statistical test will show that removing Steve&#8217;s (self-defined) outliers doesn&#8217;t change the main result of the paper, because the result is dominated by numbers in the four most common conspiracies, and as his Figure 1 shows, these are more likely to be endorsed by skeptics than warmists. </p>
<p>Furthermore, Lewanowsky used factor analysis and SEM, which rely not on the means but on the correlation between variables. If you are sure that the outliers and &#8220;inconsistent&#8221; data change his results, why don&#8217;t you reproduce his analysis on your revised data set? Why are you (and for that matter, Mcintyre) doing different, unrelated analyses?</p>
<p>Finally, it&#8217;s not unusual for people to answer questions inconsistently in a questionnaire. While removing inconsistent answers is accepted as a technique in data cleaning, it&#8217;s not the only one or the most valid one, and such inconsistent answers are in no way proof of scamming or faking. In suggesting so you&#8217;re showing you endorse exactly the kinds of conspiratorial thinking Lewanowsky has identified with skeptics in his survey &#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Steve: I&#8217;ve tried to replicate Lewandowsky&#8217;s method and thus far can&#8217;t replicate it. I get different results using factor analysis. In addition, as I understand it, he only used factor analysis for exploratory analysis and then used weighted means.  If you can clarify this, it would help.</p>
<p>If he archived his code, it would be easy to figure out what he did and test for variation using his methods. Alternatively, if he archived the latent variables that he calculated, that would help. </p>
<p>And as I said to you before, the term &#8220;outlier&#8221; is Lewandowsky&#8217;s sanitization of fake data. I did not endorse Lewandowsky&#8217;s method as being adequate to deal with the lack of data integrity. </p>
<p>I havent interpreted inconsistencies as evidence of scamming. There are other more compelling arguments. </p>
<p>In respect to the wacko conspiracies, it is however evident that lewandowsky&#8217;s claims are fake and his continued insistence on them should be discontinued.</p>
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		<title>By: September 16, 2012 &#124; Another Slow News Day</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[September 16, 2012 &#124; Another Slow News Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 02:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: McIntyre Demonstrates Lewd&#8217;s Disingenuous Interpretation And Confirms Suyt&#8217;s Space Posit! &#124; suyts space</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McIntyre Demonstrates Lewd&#8217;s Disingenuous Interpretation And Confirms Suyt&#8217;s Space Posit! &#124; suyts space]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DocMartyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DocMartyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The conspiracy theory that the AIDS epidemic was caused by the release of a US made bioweapon is a very odd one. This theory was deliberately spread as part of the Soviet Unions propaganda against the USA, during the Cold War.
Operation: INFEKTION is so well known that it even has its own Wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conspiracy theory that the AIDS epidemic was caused by the release of a US made bioweapon is a very odd one. This theory was deliberately spread as part of the Soviet Unions propaganda against the USA, during the Cold War.<br />
Operation: INFEKTION is so well known that it even has its own Wiki page.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION</a></p>
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