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	<title>Comments on: Trying (Unsuccessfully) to Replicate Lewandowsky</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Lewandowsky Timeline &#124; Geoffchambers&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-407129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lewandowsky Timeline &#124; Geoffchambers&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: docduke</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-356826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[docduke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 21:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks very much for publishing the R scripts and providing access to the data.  Statistics is not my field, but I have begun an academic study of R, and these are very helpful.  Factor analysis has previously seemed a &#039;black art&#039; to me, but you are making it comprehensible!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for publishing the R scripts and providing access to the data.  Statistics is not my field, but I have begun an academic study of R, and these are very helpful.  Factor analysis has previously seemed a &#8216;black art&#8217; to me, but you are making it comprehensible!</p>
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		<title>By: McIntyre takes down Lewandowsky&#8217;s fabricated statistical claims &#124; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-355916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McIntyre takes down Lewandowsky&#8217;s fabricated statistical claims &#124; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] components as explained variances from factor analysis, a very minor peccadillo in comparison. In a recent post, I observed inconsistencies resulting from this misdescription, but was then unable to diagnose [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] components as explained variances from factor analysis, a very minor peccadillo in comparison. In a recent post, I observed inconsistencies resulting from this misdescription, but was then unable to diagnose [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Conspiracy-Theorist Lewandowsky Tries to Manufacture Doubt &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-355694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conspiracy-Theorist Lewandowsky Tries to Manufacture Doubt &#171; Climate Audit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 04:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] components as explained variances from factor analysis, a very minor peccadillo in comparison. In a recent post, I observed inconsistencies resulting from this misdescription, but was then unable to diagnose [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] components as explained variances from factor analysis, a very minor peccadillo in comparison. In a recent post, I observed inconsistencies resulting from this misdescription, but was then unable to diagnose [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-355692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 04:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are faustusnotes and Nick Stokes related? Their respective writing styles bare certain similarities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are faustusnotes and Nick Stokes related? Their respective writing styles bare certain similarities.</p>
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		<title>By: theduke</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-355587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theduke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe it was Oberauer who wrote this yesterday:  

&lt;blockquote&gt;There are no such problems, and it is illustrative to examine how Mr. McIntyre manages to manufacture this erroneous impression.

Our explanation focuses on the factor analysis of the five “climate science” items as just one example, because this is the case where his re-“analysis” deviated most from our actual results.

The &lt;b&gt;trick&lt;/b&gt; [my emphasis] is simple when you know a bit about exploratory factor analysis (EFA). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s that word again. &quot;Trick.&quot;  Shall we call it &quot;Stephan&#039;s PsychoScience Trick?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was Oberauer who wrote this yesterday:  </p>
<blockquote><p>There are no such problems, and it is illustrative to examine how Mr. McIntyre manages to manufacture this erroneous impression.</p>
<p>Our explanation focuses on the factor analysis of the five “climate science” items as just one example, because this is the case where his re-“analysis” deviated most from our actual results.</p>
<p>The <b>trick</b> [my emphasis] is simple when you know a bit about exploratory factor analysis (EFA). </p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s that word again. &#8220;Trick.&#8221;  Shall we call it &#8220;Stephan&#8217;s PsychoScience Trick?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: michaelozanne</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-355427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michaelozanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The overly pedantic respondent was probably me..:-) Sorry.. But it did seem that the with some exceptions (Moon Landing, HIV) it did seem that the more knowledge you had (or think you had) about one of the areas, the harder it was to give an honest answer to the question that didn&#039;t involve making assumptions about what the questioner meant. On the 5 point slider you could at least claim to not care, on a 4 point scale that must skew things a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The overly pedantic respondent was probably me..:-) Sorry.. But it did seem that the with some exceptions (Moon Landing, HIV) it did seem that the more knowledge you had (or think you had) about one of the areas, the harder it was to give an honest answer to the question that didn&#8217;t involve making assumptions about what the questioner meant. On the 5 point slider you could at least claim to not care, on a 4 point scale that must skew things a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: faustusnotes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-355180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[faustusnotes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mcintyre, are you using some kind of &quot;elbow&quot; criterion for choosing the number of factors? Because Lewandowsky is not, and as a result you have really, really embarrassed yourself here. 

By not stating your methods clearly in this post, you have also opened yourself to accusations of dishonesty. 

By using the wrong assumptions in constructing your analysis, you have also shown that you know nothing about how social scientists work, and probably should desist from your feeble attempts to audit them.

Also, in future, when you&#039;re doing these audit posts, I suggest that you consider adopting an Introduction/Methods/Results/Conclusion framework. That will help you order your thoughts better, more clearly describe your process (avoiding accusations that you are using arbitrary or unclear methods) and give people with less skill in stats the ability to skip the hard parts and get to the conclusions. 

I would have thought this system for presenting research results would be clear to you, but as it becomes increasingly apparent that you&#039;re out of your depth with this stuff, I guess it would help you to revisit some of the basic principles that you should have learnt in your undergraduate days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mcintyre, are you using some kind of &#8220;elbow&#8221; criterion for choosing the number of factors? Because Lewandowsky is not, and as a result you have really, really embarrassed yourself here. </p>
<p>By not stating your methods clearly in this post, you have also opened yourself to accusations of dishonesty. </p>
<p>By using the wrong assumptions in constructing your analysis, you have also shown that you know nothing about how social scientists work, and probably should desist from your feeble attempts to audit them.</p>
<p>Also, in future, when you&#8217;re doing these audit posts, I suggest that you consider adopting an Introduction/Methods/Results/Conclusion framework. That will help you order your thoughts better, more clearly describe your process (avoiding accusations that you are using arbitrary or unclear methods) and give people with less skill in stats the ability to skip the hard parts and get to the conclusions. </p>
<p>I would have thought this system for presenting research results would be clear to you, but as it becomes increasingly apparent that you&#8217;re out of your depth with this stuff, I guess it would help you to revisit some of the basic principles that you should have learnt in your undergraduate days.</p>
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		<title>By: faustusnotes</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/16/trying-unsuccessfully-to-replicate-lewandowsky/#comment-355087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[faustusnotes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give it up, Steve. You posted an article on Sep 8th entitled &quot;The anatomy of the Lewandowsky scam.&quot; Accusing someone of running a scam is the same as accusing people of fraud - careful choice of words (&quot;I never accused him of making up the data himself,&quot; blah blah) doesn&#039;t get you off the hook. If you want to audit people&#039;s work you need to start off from a slightly less biased position than that. But it&#039;s part of your shtick isn&#039;t it? Offend scientists you&#039;ve never met, then accuse them of having something to hide when they don&#039;t cooperate with you.

RomanM, your points about noise are largely irrelevant in the context of a non-substantial subset. And Lewandowsky&#039;s paragraph was written in the context of his knowing how many people posted from the same IP address. Or are you seriously suggesting that a single individual submitted responses from more than 2 IP addresses? You imagine some hunched up, bitter little warmist travelling from library to library and filling in the survey on 100+ different PCs?

This comment is the clearest example yet of how ridiculous the position here is: you are saying that this article linking skeptics and a willingness to believe dubious conspiracy theories cannot be right because of a conspiracy of warmists to game the results, with no evidence. When the article finally gets published, please oh please do write a response letter to the same journal in which you outline this evidence-free conspiracy theory. It&#039;ll really help to support the findings.

Your comments about &quot;exactly replicated&quot; are disingenuous. You know that &quot;exactly replicated&quot; in this context means producing the same structure, not the same numbers. Are you even capable of uttering a single sentence that doesn&#039;t either deliberately misrepresent someone, or contain a conspiracy theory?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give it up, Steve. You posted an article on Sep 8th entitled &#8220;The anatomy of the Lewandowsky scam.&#8221; Accusing someone of running a scam is the same as accusing people of fraud &#8211; careful choice of words (&#8220;I never accused him of making up the data himself,&#8221; blah blah) doesn&#8217;t get you off the hook. If you want to audit people&#8217;s work you need to start off from a slightly less biased position than that. But it&#8217;s part of your shtick isn&#8217;t it? Offend scientists you&#8217;ve never met, then accuse them of having something to hide when they don&#8217;t cooperate with you.</p>
<p>RomanM, your points about noise are largely irrelevant in the context of a non-substantial subset. And Lewandowsky&#8217;s paragraph was written in the context of his knowing how many people posted from the same IP address. Or are you seriously suggesting that a single individual submitted responses from more than 2 IP addresses? You imagine some hunched up, bitter little warmist travelling from library to library and filling in the survey on 100+ different PCs?</p>
<p>This comment is the clearest example yet of how ridiculous the position here is: you are saying that this article linking skeptics and a willingness to believe dubious conspiracy theories cannot be right because of a conspiracy of warmists to game the results, with no evidence. When the article finally gets published, please oh please do write a response letter to the same journal in which you outline this evidence-free conspiracy theory. It&#8217;ll really help to support the findings.</p>
<p>Your comments about &#8220;exactly replicated&#8221; are disingenuous. You know that &#8220;exactly replicated&#8221; in this context means producing the same structure, not the same numbers. Are you even capable of uttering a single sentence that doesn&#8217;t either deliberately misrepresent someone, or contain a conspiracy theory?</p>
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		<title>By: thomaswfuller2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thomaswfuller2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gee are those the satisfaction with life results that are left out of his paper and data resuls?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee are those the satisfaction with life results that are left out of his paper and data resuls?</p>
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