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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Olympic Mann&#8221;</title>
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	<description>by Steve McIntyre</description>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-403519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my &quot;favorite&quot; (sic) parts of the Yale article is when the writer simply channels the Team fairy tales about &quot;trick&quot; and &quot;hide the decline&quot;

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&quot;As for “hide the decline,” Jones wasn’t referring to declines in temperature; he was referring to a drop seen in certain types of tree-ring data after 1960. And he wasn’t referring to Mann’s work—but to that of another scientist, Keith Briffa of the University of East Anglia. Pre-1960, Briffa’s tree-ring density records track the temperature records. Post-1960, there is a decline in the response of certain trees to temperature (possibly due to pollution): the actual recorded temperatures are consistently higher than what the tree-ring data would predict. The temperature records are the more important and reliable data, so Briffa had to discard the tree-ring “decline” records. But the decline wasn’t hidden. It was clearly discussed and labeled in Briffa’s paper. And Mann’s paper didn’t rely on any of those data.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my &#8220;favorite&#8221; (sic) parts of the Yale article is when the writer simply channels the Team fairy tales about &#8220;trick&#8221; and &#8220;hide the decline&#8221;</p>
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&#8220;As for “hide the decline,” Jones wasn’t referring to declines in temperature; he was referring to a drop seen in certain types of tree-ring data after 1960. And he wasn’t referring to Mann’s work—but to that of another scientist, Keith Briffa of the University of East Anglia. Pre-1960, Briffa’s tree-ring density records track the temperature records. Post-1960, there is a decline in the response of certain trees to temperature (possibly due to pollution): the actual recorded temperatures are consistently higher than what the tree-ring data would predict. The temperature records are the more important and reliable data, so Briffa had to discard the tree-ring “decline” records. But the decline wasn’t hidden. It was clearly discussed and labeled in Briffa’s paper. And Mann’s paper didn’t rely on any of those data.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: thisisnotgoodtogo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-403512</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Skiphil
From the letter:

&quot;Mann has written that it was a colleague who first noted the graph’s resemblance to a hockey stick lying flat&quot;

Some colleagues have noticed that it was flat lying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Skiphil<br />
From the letter:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mann has written that it was a colleague who first noted the graph’s resemblance to a hockey stick lying flat&#8221;</p>
<p>Some colleagues have noticed that it was flat lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-403507</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 17:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love letter to Michael Mann published as article in the Yale Alumni Magazine.  The author manages to spew every Mann talking point without even a hint of critical independence.

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/articles/3648

Don&#039;t dare to question his accuracy or veracity, else you will be smeared by people like this writer....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love letter to Michael Mann published as article in the Yale Alumni Magazine.  The author manages to spew every Mann talking point without even a hint of critical independence.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/articles/3648" rel="nofollow">http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/articles/3648</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t dare to question his accuracy or veracity, else you will be smeared by people like this writer&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-396569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mann&#039;s lawyers have filed a counter-motion to the SLAPP motion, and they provide a novel excuse for Olympic Mann on the &quot;Nobel Prize&quot; claim -- some other climate scientists did the same thing with the IPCC certificate so it must be ok.  

on &quot;Nobel Mann&quot; see footnote 69, page 33:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scribd.com/doc/121359632/Opposition-to-National-Review-Motion-to-Dismiss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mann&#039;s lawyers file counter motion against SLAPP motion of National Review&lt;/a&gt; 
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Mann&#039;s lawyers still flogging false claims that he has been perfectly vindicated:

&quot;...For example, in 2003, mining consultant Stephen McIntyre and University of Guelph Economics Professor Ross McKitrick published a paper in Energy and Environment purporting to demonstrate that the Hockey Stick Graph was an artifact of bad data.  A later article by the same authors in the journal Geophysical Research Letters suggested that the “hockey stick” shape was an artifact of a faulty statistical approach.  Subsequently, every peer-reviewed study that has examined McIntyre and McKitrick’s claims has found them to be inaccurate.  Nonetheless, Defendants continue to point to McIntyre and McKitrick’s work as evidence of “data errors” and faulty statistics underlying Dr. Mann’s work.  See CEI Anti-SLAPP Mem. at 9.  But significantly, at no point have either McIntyre and McKitrick ever accused Dr. Mann of misconduct or fraud....&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mann&#8217;s lawyers have filed a counter-motion to the SLAPP motion, and they provide a novel excuse for Olympic Mann on the &#8220;Nobel Prize&#8221; claim &#8212; some other climate scientists did the same thing with the IPCC certificate so it must be ok.  </p>
<p>on &#8220;Nobel Mann&#8221; see footnote 69, page 33:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/121359632/Opposition-to-National-Review-Motion-to-Dismiss" rel="nofollow">Mann&#8217;s lawyers file counter motion against SLAPP motion of National Review</a> </p>
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<p>Mann&#8217;s lawyers still flogging false claims that he has been perfectly vindicated:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;For example, in 2003, mining consultant Stephen McIntyre and University of Guelph Economics Professor Ross McKitrick published a paper in Energy and Environment purporting to demonstrate that the Hockey Stick Graph was an artifact of bad data.  A later article by the same authors in the journal Geophysical Research Letters suggested that the “hockey stick” shape was an artifact of a faulty statistical approach.  Subsequently, every peer-reviewed study that has examined McIntyre and McKitrick’s claims has found them to be inaccurate.  Nonetheless, Defendants continue to point to McIntyre and McKitrick’s work as evidence of “data errors” and faulty statistics underlying Dr. Mann’s work.  See CEI Anti-SLAPP Mem. at 9.  But significantly, at no point have either McIntyre and McKitrick ever accused Dr. Mann of misconduct or fraud&#8230;.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Brandon Shollenberger</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-396135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon Shollenberger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know this topic is older, but I recently read about an older story that was eerily similar.  About fifteen years ago a somewhat popular anti-skeptic author (and common sight at DeSmogBlog), Ross Gelbspan, falsely &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/milloy091506.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;claimed&lt;/a&gt; to have won a Pulitzer.  When the truth was pointed out, he gave a number of lame reasons saying they meant it counted as winning the Pulitzer.

Apparently Michael Mann isn&#039;t doing anything new.  He&#039;s just reusing an old trick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this topic is older, but I recently read about an older story that was eerily similar.  About fifteen years ago a somewhat popular anti-skeptic author (and common sight at DeSmogBlog), Ross Gelbspan, falsely <a href="http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/milloy091506.htm" rel="nofollow">claimed</a> to have won a Pulitzer.  When the truth was pointed out, he gave a number of lame reasons saying they meant it counted as winning the Pulitzer.</p>
<p>Apparently Michael Mann isn&#8217;t doing anything new.  He&#8217;s just reusing an old trick.</p>
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		<title>By: RomanM</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-391123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RomanM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 16:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, I believe that the default setting for CA Assistant is to hide comments older than a specific time period.

If this is the problem, you can fix it by disabling the Assistant and refreshing the page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I believe that the default setting for CA Assistant is to hide comments older than a specific time period.</p>
<p>If this is the problem, you can fix it by disabling the Assistant and refreshing the page.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ross</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-390630</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the recommendation Skiphill. I&#039;m the author of the blog in question. I follow ClimateAudit but post comments mostly at WUWT, where I&#039;ve also done two guest posts.

There will be more on Mann and in particular his latest defamation case. The political aspects of the climate debate will be a focus of the blog, especially freedom of speech issues.

I&#039;m new to blogging and am experiencing some technical difficulties. Replies to comments (nested) were disappearing. When I followed the referral link here no comments were visible in Firefox. But I can see them in Chrome. I suspect it may be an issue with the comment plug-in CA Assistant. Anybody here experienced anything similar?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recommendation Skiphill. I&#8217;m the author of the blog in question. I follow ClimateAudit but post comments mostly at WUWT, where I&#8217;ve also done two guest posts.</p>
<p>There will be more on Mann and in particular his latest defamation case. The political aspects of the climate debate will be a focus of the blog, especially freedom of speech issues.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m new to blogging and am experiencing some technical difficulties. Replies to comments (nested) were disappearing. When I followed the referral link here no comments were visible in Firefox. But I can see them in Chrome. I suspect it may be an issue with the comment plug-in CA Assistant. Anybody here experienced anything similar?</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-390594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 07:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of cover-ups, distortions of public record, and credibility issues....  

There is a long and detailed post on a new blog, which examines Michael Mann&#039;s extremely odd online behaviors in recent months.  Highly recommended to all interested in the topics of this thread.

[h/t to &quot;Breath of Fresh Air&quot; posting link at Bishop Hill - I know nothing about the blog or blogger beyond what is presented there]

&lt;a href=&quot;http://qtcv.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/is-michael-mann-a-zebra-or-the-walter-white-of-climatology-part-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Curious &#039;scrubbing&#039; of Michael Mann&#039;s online record&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of cover-ups, distortions of public record, and credibility issues&#8230;.  </p>
<p>There is a long and detailed post on a new blog, which examines Michael Mann&#8217;s extremely odd online behaviors in recent months.  Highly recommended to all interested in the topics of this thread.</p>
<p>[h/t to "Breath of Fresh Air" posting link at Bishop Hill - I know nothing about the blog or blogger beyond what is presented there]</p>
<p><a href="http://qtcv.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/is-michael-mann-a-zebra-or-the-walter-white-of-climatology-part-1/" rel="nofollow">Curious &#8216;scrubbing&#8217; of Michael Mann&#8217;s online record</a></p>
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		<title>By: thisisnotgoodtogo</title>
		<link>http://climateaudit.org/2012/11/01/olympic-mann-2/#comment-387368</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thisisnotgoodtogo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops...starts at 1:20]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230;starts at 1:20</p>
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		<title>By: thisisnotgoodtogo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thisisnotgoodtogo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Me too, Kan!
Meanwhile, here is Pachauri accepting accolades as Nobel Winner.

It&#039;s about 2 minutes in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol8PmyNvQeg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, Kan!<br />
Meanwhile, here is Pachauri accepting accolades as Nobel Winner.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about 2 minutes in.<br />
<span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='640' height='390' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/ol8PmyNvQeg?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
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